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Wrestling: Random babbling

Discussion in 'Colosseum' started by Disciple of The Watch, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. Gnarfflinger

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    That's a very real possibility bacause...

    JR opened Blah with an emotional farewell. Edge (the best Heel spot he's done since hooking up with Vicky) interrupted with Hawkins and Ryder and basically ran down JR, Batista and Blah. AS Edge was leaving, Batista came out, beat the hell out of him, then CM Punk used the MitB to Pull an Edge against Edge and claim the title. So yes, DotW, A Y2J vs CM Punk for the title is a very real possibility.
     
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    And I'd love to see Y2J whip CM Suck's ass big time. I'm glad to see the title taken from Edge, but giving it to CM Suck is a huge mistake. *shrugs* CM Suck is a transitional champ not meant to stay.

    *EDIT* Hmm, Jericho getting disqualified in his IC rematch adds weight to your theory, Gnarff...
     
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    From what I hear, the audience loved it - it could only be better if Vicky G had managed to get herself properly hurt as well.
     
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    Both brands have their original titles once again, so now all that's left to do? Get Y2J to KILL CM Suck in a WHC match. Get HHH to KILL Edge in a WWE title match. Then get Undertaker to KILL Edge in a BURIED ALIVE. Preferably in the same night, straight after the title match. Then chokeslam Guerrero in the casket with Edge, just for good measure.

    *EDIT* Well, well, looks like there won't be a wedding after all. I get an odd feeling Edge might be making a face turn...
     
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    I saw a rumour that Vickie might be headed for Blah...
     
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    Only that for Vicky? I was thinking you'd be satisfied with nothing less than her doing a MicK Foley HitC impersonation. Hey, how do you link to pictures here?

    I never really believed they'd have an actual wedding. However, Edge being a face would be more than a little weird. I always remember him being a bit too... well, edgy (unbalanced, smarky, ambitious) to be a proper face.
    At most, he may become a bit of a loner (tweener), but if that means every now and then he can win without the aid of everyone and their pet dogs, you won't hear me complaining.

    Of course, you never know - for crying out loud, Michaels is supposed to be a face. Shawn freaking Michaels. One of the best parts about Y2J being a heel is that in most of the time, what he's saying is actually right. He does the right thing - or the same thing someone already did to him -and get booed/screwed. Case in point: Kofi was the first to pull the pants on the Monday Raw match, but Jericho was disqualified for it. Delightfully ironic. The only other time I've heard of something similar happening was in the beginning of Mohammad Hassan's time, before someone in (un)Creative decided that a guy billed as an Arab(-american) can not be involved in anything but a terrorist gimmick.
     
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    Well, check out Crapdown this Friday, because the promo Edge cut was definitively a face promo, basically saying he would be WWE Champ at the Bash, running down his cronies/Guerrero saying that he made them what they are and that no one lines him because he's a warrior, or something like that then when Guerrero came out he called off the "wedding". Oh yeah, he came to the ring after Jesse/Fetus vs the cronies and cleaned house with Jesse/Festus. Does that add weight in the face scale?

    I'm not sure what happens from here if Edge does indeed turn face - unless HHH turns heel, who can they make Edge feud with? Taker will not return before the end of the month, Batista is on Blah. His cronies, maybe? Give me a break, those guys are laughable. How many matches have those guys won, anyway? I remember only one.
     
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    What the boop? We'll see. I can definitely do without some of Edge's heel elements, most notably calling on those buffoons for everything, but as I said I don't really see him as a face. Cleaning house from such imbeciles is not being a face, it's simply having half a brain. I mean seriously, why bother having allies/goons when they're not where you need them? Might as well get the job done solo and not spoil yourself by relying on idiots.

    Well, I guess the part about calling off the wedding was wildly applauded - no sane person wants to see a WWE "wedding" imo. At best, they are wasting 15 minutes that could be used for a fight or two. At worst... ugh. No freaking thank you.

    As for whom he can feud, hmm, the Smackdown roster is supposedly a little better after the draft. Let me think.

    - HHH: a given. Edge has been a title holder/main contender for months now, it's only natural that he'd try to get the closest big title. I don't remember that many matches or an actual feud between the two, so why not? HHH can certainly be an intimidating, king-of-the-hill kind of heel if WWE thinks the fans can stomach a heel who does not act like a spineless chicken.

    - MVP: possible, if MVP is going to be given a push and a chance to prove himself as anything more than a low-grade US champion. This could, technically, be quite decent - but it's more of a midcarder match. It can certainly be a memorable feud and it could allow MVP to finally earn his keep and show what he's got. Edge has had good matches with nearly anyone he's wrestled, but someone like MVP should be right up his alley.

    - Mr. Kennedy: Kennedy's got a big mouth, and he may just have the skills to back it up in the big leagues. It's incredibly easy to joke about Edge's colossal blunder on Raw, and I think those two had had some bad blood between them anyway. Just as with MVP, though, this is most likely if Kennedy is to be given a push. A cocky, arrogant, mic-savvy Kennedy could be a memorable heel, similar to the previous Y2J heel incarnation.

    - Jeff Hardy: the hardy-edge angle has been p..ped to oblivion, but at least those two won't need much of a reason to go at each other's throats. However, a feud with Jeff Hardy as a heel and Edge as a face? Jeff Hardy is so over as a face that he could get away with practically anything up to and including making out with a dead dog in the center of a ring. It'd take a work of genius for a switch like that.

    - Umaga: possibly interesting, but hard to pull through. Umaga hasn't been given much of a character and has until now been used as an "enforcer". Barring a hard falling out with Vickie (which is quite likely if Edge is a face), I really don't see why. Plus, unless he becomes something more than a glorified jobber, it would be senseless. Umaga has lost to pretty much anyone and their pet cat in the last year; even if he is to be used as a cat's paw by a spurned/enraged Vickie Guerero, he will need a few wins first before he becomes credible imo. Also, he may be a bit heavy for Edge, though he could still be manageable with a conchairto or two.

    - Big Show/Khali/Big Daddy V: pointless, imo. A feud with a behemoth like that could work well to elevate a relatively new star like Cena, but why would you need to elevate Edge? That is, unless any of these has appetites for the world title and decides that Edge - who is the natural contender for the title - is in his way. However, at the end of it all I seriouly doubt it, Edge isn't exactly a strongman and he can do a better job against someone closer to his size.

    - Shelton Benjamin: Kofi Kingston was already given a very serious push, so perhaps Benjamin is being prepared for a slightly bigger role. Still, I doubt he's ready for a feud with a main-eventer like Edge.

    I've tried to think of everyone even slightly credible - am I missing someone?
     
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    NO. MVP can contend/hold a lower grade championship, but NEVER make the mistake of giving this guy a World Championship, same for Shelton.

    Kennedy? I've said it before, the guy is a future world champion. If they use him properly on SD, it's a matter of time before he holds gold. The comparaison with Y2J as a heel back in the old days is kind of fitting, they have similitudes.

    Jeff Hardy as a heel? Interesting, but keep in mind Matt is on Extremely Crappy Wrestling now. A Hardys reunion and both of them turning heel would have been the best scenario... one that will never happen.

    Umaga? I think he had a good start on SD. I was certain he would job to Batista (wouldn't have surprised me), but the DQ was a brilliant decision. Umaga is back to squashing jobbers, and when the time is right, I could see him holding a lower card championship... if the IC or US returns to SD, that is.

    Big Show... I heard rumors when he returned he eventually would get a World Title reign. It would be interesting to see a HHH/Show feud, especially since Show is a face now.

    Heel HHH? I'm eagerly waiting for this day.
     
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    I really doubt we'll see a face Edge, though. First it would be an incredible hassle getting him higher than a tweener, and second the guy is doing a fairly good job already. He's on for a minute and already everyone wants to see him killed, mauled, or just dismembered.
     
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    It certainly won'e be a brutal turn, but it has already begun - he kicked Guerrero to the curb, and now he's gonna have to deal with her, so this looks to me like a typical face/heel program, except that in this case, Edge's the face.

    Remember how they managed to turn Cage into one of the most hated heels into a crowd favorite? If I was told a year ago that people would cheer for Cage, I wouldn't have believed it. Also, when he arrived in TNA, he was a face, a huge crowd favorite too.

    On a random thought, I'd love to see Kane go back to being a rampaging psychotic. He had a somewhat okay start after he chokeslammed a cruiserweight on the announcers' table. Maybe now he can go back to pounding the s*** out of everyone for no perticular reason.

    Now, if only they could can Shawn Michaels and push Y2J to a World Title...
     
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    It's a kind of a twisted tribute to Guerrero's infamy that acts that would normally directly make someone a 100% heel, when applied to her, can actually turn a heel into a face :) I think he could do a very good job as a solo heel or tweener. He doesn't need to only fight faces - heck, if he can go back to his psychotic state, he could arguably fight anyone for any reason.

    I had stopped watching wrestling for a while, and even now usually just follow the PPVs so I don't know how Cage was turning, but imo having Kane as a heel is a natural move. I mean even when he wasn't a totally freaking heel he was still an intimidating, brutal and insanely strong SoB, and he makes that role work damn well.
     
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    Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of Cage's face turn. Teaming back up with Rhyno and the newly face-turned AJ Styles leaves me Hmmmmm. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm glad to see Styles no longer being Angle's lapdog, though he could do without his whore.

    Another superb heel turn was the Dudleyz. I'm glad to see them back to doing what they do best - putting everyone and their dogs through tables.

    One interesting (and promising) tag team is Beer Money (Storm/Roode). They've proven they belong with the top dogs, they draw heel heat like nobody's buisness, and they're waging war against LAX, which shouldn't be faces.
     
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    Even though I'm a Mormon, I still like the name Beer Money...

    I'd also like to see Kane pound the hell out of everyone--starting with John Cena! And after working him over for a couple years, I'm sure there will be someone else suitably annoying...
     
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    i just don't understand the cena hatred. he is no better or worse than a lot of the other wrestlers
     
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    Guys, bad news... the World Title is supposed to be defended at the next PPV, and guess who will force his way in... AGAIN? You can't see me, of course.

    He's been having damn title matches since No F'N Way Out! Enough is enough, already!
     
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    Cena is crammed down our throats. Cena is overmarketed. They get him on the screen doing skits when they could be showing more action. Cena takes valuable television time that could be used to show guys that woyuld be entertaining to watch in the ring beating the hell out of people...

    Speaking of more entertaining talent, it appears that Kennedy will be stuck as a midcarder on Smackdown. Rajah.com is reporting that he will not be getting a push.
     
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    Well as far as the WWE is concerned their top tier of wrestlers is Undertaker, HHH & Cena. second tier is HBK & batista with all others somewhere below them. So with 2 of the top 3 on the other show they will push cena hard.
     
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    Looks like Kane is turning heel again. He went totally bananas and almost chokeslammed Cole... then Lawler interfered, and got the s*** pounded out of his a** for the trouble.
     
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    TBH, it isn't AS bad as the previous push he had, he actually doesn't win every now and then. Still, as far as I'm concerned he's being overpushed, and one of the most annoying things is his gimmick is all over the place. He's an unrestrainedly aggressiive honorable rapping pseudo-marine fan champion etc etc etc. Whatever. I'm not saying that he's a complete waste (I reserve that qualification for JBL for now), just that he's still not ready for the position he's in.

    Oh, and three words. "JBL is poopy"
     
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