Powergaming TNO (minor spoilers)

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I got this from another poster on the gamebanshee website:

STR 21
INT 21 (there is one dialogue that does not also check Wisdom)
WIS 24
DEX 19 (only applies if the Nameless One is a Thief)
CON 21 (only applies if Strength is less than 21)
CHA 25 (24 is required to pass one dialogue check; 25 is required to get the best possible upgrade for Nordom)

Stat checks.

 

Try getting CON to 25 with a fighter at least once, dear friend. You'll have an enormous store of HP and will regenerate so quickly that no wound can keep you down for long...

 

I stand corrected on the Luck issue. Yes, in PS:T it is apparently quite powerful. My understanding is that in addition to what I said it does, it also gives +1 to hit, +1 damage, +1 saving throws, +1 to received healing spells, and opponents get -1 to hit and -1 damage. Definitely way better than any stat point of anything else.

Qwinn

 

And the Thief gets a +FIVE to luck on specialisation?

I think we can officially say the Thief's specialisation bonus is by FAR the most overpowered in the game.

 

Hmm, I have played thieves from start to completion

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(going immediately to Ratbone at the outset of the game for training)

and played my thief characters to a very high level. I have also played pure fighters with an emphasis on CON and STR to a very high level.

I was not parsing any data of any sort but did not notice any significant leaps in power with my thieves? Backstabs, when hit, did quite well in the damage department, but often missed.

The problem might have been that my pure thieves focused on getting WIS and AGI to 25 first and foremost, instead of adding to STR for better THAC0.

Still, better THAC0 is best achieved with high STR, weapon specializations, and the fighter THAC0-per-level bonus, is it not...?

I'm intrigued now, dear friends...if anyone could share real parsed data that can prove a high-level thief with realistic stat advancement is more powerful than a 25 CON/STR fighter, I would be much obliged.

 

Where did you get this from? Dan Simpson's walkthrough says +1. I'm also not sure what "+3 luck for 25 wis" means, or at least where that info comes from. Never heard it before.

Qwinn

 

The info comes from http://www.rpguides.de/pst/artikel.php?aid=6

Thieves can only get 2 luck more that the other classes (+1 specialisation, +1 tattoo), every class can get +3 luck for 25 wis, +1 for the redeemer tattoo and at least +1 from other sources, so it's not that overpowered.

 

Ignore me, I confused the +5 lore that the mage gets with the +1 luck that the thief gets. Oops.

 

Is there any proof to this "understanding"?

Does anybody here speak German?

 

You can use an online dictionary or a webpage translation program.

Interesting are mainly the tables (wisdom - XP bonus, wisdom - luck bonus, constitution - regeneration), you know the other facts from other sources.

Weisheit = wisdom
Ehrfahrung = experience
Glück = luck
Konstitution = constitution
Regenerationswert = regeneration value
TP = Trefferpunkte = hitpoints
sek = Sekunden = seconds

 

I'm just curious as to why the only source we can pull this info from on an American game is on a German website. I'm a tiny bit suspicious, is all.

 

Well, actually, the producer of the game was German, and the only language Black Isle produced a translation for was German. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the designers who knew what went into the game were German too. So that doesn't necessarily mean the info's provenance is especially suspect. As reliable as anything else on the internets. And everything there matches up with my understanding of how stats work, the only thing entirely new to me is the luck bonus granted by high wisdom. If that's the case, then the bit about luck > any other stat isn't quite true... wisdom is definitely arguably still king.

As for the source of the understanding of what luck actually does, ugh, I was actually looking at it while typing that post but having trouble finding it now. But. Take a look at the description of the Luck spell:

That covers most of it, plus "and the like". If I can find the source for the precise list I gave, I'll update.

Qwinn

 

I didn't know that Quinn!

I personally still lean towards the Fighter class, though it's not necessarily for powergaming reasons: I like switching classes for certain appropriate parts of the game, and I like the NPC Annah. But if TNO is a Thief, I really don't have a powergaming need for Annah in the party, which stinks for when you want to switch classes around.

 

If you're powergaming without fighting respawning monsters you won't keep party members for longer than a few minutes since they take away valuable XP. For switching classes there are trainers.

 

Yeah, but Annah is a portable trainer.

I noticed something playing last night: Dak'kon advanced to level 10 for me and got 5 HP + CON bonus, which he shouldn't have.

Would a single-classed Fighter gain full HP at level 10?

 

Yes, he would. I looked into this. All classes in PS:T get full hit dice up to and including level 10. No one gets a full hit die at level 11. So previous posts discussing how to maximize hp based on the notion that some classes get full hit dice longer than others were wholly incorrect.

Yes, I realize this makes the manual horribly, terribly wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Qwinn