1. SPS Accounts:
    Do you find yourself coming back time after time? Do you appreciate the ongoing hard work to keep this community focused and successful in its mission? Please consider supporting us by upgrading to an SPS Account. Besides the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a good cause, you'll also get a significant number of ever-expanding perks and benefits on the site and the forums. Click here to find out more.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
You are currently viewing Boards o' Magick as a guest, but you can register an account here. Registration is fast, easy and free. Once registered you will have access to search the forums, create and respond to threads, PM other members, upload screenshots and access many other features unavailable to guests.

BoM cultivates a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. We have been aiming for quality over quantity with our forums from their inception, and believe that this distinction is truly tangible and valued by our members. We'd love to have you join us today!

(If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you've forgotten your username or password, click here.)

Forgotten Realms completely rebooted?

Discussion in 'Dungeons & Dragons + Other RPGs' started by Rawgrim, Jan 4, 2009.

Page 2 of 2

  1. Rawgrim Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    27
    Remove all ads!
    Favored class should be based on how that particular race live their lives and such. Their mannerism etc. Not because a bonus on a stat.
     
    Rawgrim, Jan 12, 2009
    #21
  2. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    30
    [​IMG]
    Agreed, but in 4e, there is no specific mechanic given for favoured classes, so any reference to a favoured class is just "fluff". That's why Dwarves are listed with Paladins and Fighters among their favoured classes, even though the stats may not support them as well as they would support other classes.

    Granted the "crunch" books are rather light on "fluff", I could see a Hybrid book (like Draconomicon), with some Fluff and some Crunch for each race as future releases, but nothing is announced as of yet.
     
    Gnarfflinger, Jan 12, 2009
    #22

  3. Fabius Maximus Gems: 19/31
    Latest gem: Aquamarine

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    3
    Er... what? Since when is Eberron a failure?
     
    Fabius Maximus, Jan 18, 2009
    #23

  4. Rawgrim Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    27
    Since it sucked.
     
    Rawgrim, Jan 19, 2009
    #24
  5. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2000
    Messages:
    23,653
    Media:
    494
    Likes Received:
    570
    Gender:
    Male
    Since it's been released. It hasn't gained even a fraction of FR's popularity and the Eberron features have been removed from WotC's site more or less completely over a year ago, so WotC obviously doesn't consider it worth spending any more money or attention on. I'm sure the fact that its creator has moaned about how underpaid he is at Wizards in nearly every interview he's given didn't sit well with the management either.
     
    Taluntain, Jan 19, 2009
    #25
  6. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    30
    Um, Eberron's Scheduled for release for 4e this year. The Campaign setting is supposed to be in May I think and the Players guide to be released this summer. Maybe it didn't fare well in 3.5, but they're trying it again in 4e...
     
    Gnarfflinger, Jan 19, 2009
    #26
  7. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2000
    Messages:
    23,653
    Media:
    494
    Likes Received:
    570
    Gender:
    Male
    They won't stop releasing all the books for it just yet as that'd seriously piss off everyone who's bought Eberron material to date, but aside from that, there's little hope for the setting. I think it's just a matter of time before they chuck it in the bin with the other past settings that weren't popular enough. At least it'll be in good company with Planescape...
     
    Taluntain, Jan 19, 2009
    #27

  8. Fabius Maximus Gems: 19/31
    Latest gem: Aquamarine

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    3
    Of course Eberron is not as popular as the Realms. The Realms have a huge fan-base due to it's long existance. Eberron has been around for only a few years now. But judging how many source books were published for 3.5, it's been a success. They wouldn't have bothered if the setting didn't sell well.

    The setting "vanished" from spotlight because 4e hogged it. Didn't you notice that realms material was also scarce until the 4e books were published? The designers are busy writing the books. That applies for Keith Baker and James Wyatt, too.

    Also, Keith Baker *****ing about underpayment? Doesn't sound likely. The man is no regular at Wizards, but a free author. That's why works on several different projects, including the Pathfinder setting. He's so busy that he even can't update his website regularly. On which I never read something about payment by Wizards, by the way.
     
    Fabius Maximus, Jan 19, 2009
    #28
  9. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2000
    Messages:
    23,653
    Media:
    494
    Likes Received:
    570
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually, no, the Realms (and non-Eberron) material wasn't scarce. I've been posting every article WotC puts up on their site on a weekly basis in our news for several years now, so I have a pretty good idea what WotC puts up. You can go check if you like.

    We've also posted news about a few interviews with Baker (and I've read even more), and his complaints about him being underpaid as a writer stood out enough for me to remember them. Of course, you're free to not believe me.

    Edit: I just picked one at random from our news archives:

    * How has your life changed since winning the Wizards campaign setting contest?

    That's a tough question. I'm getting to work on fascinating things, and it's an amazing experience to see Eberron expand. I love what I'm doing. But financially, RPG writing – even for WotC – is far less lucrative than computer game design. So it's not like I eat caviar every night or live in a fabulous mansion, or anything like that; my day-to-day life hasn't changed much. Nonetheless, it's incredibly rewarding to see people enjoying Eberron and to hear what people are doing with the world!

    The subject almost never fails to come up in his interviews (or at least it did in the past, I haven't seen any in a while). It was especially painful to read in the earliest Eberron interviews, because he was quite vocal about his monetary disappointment after giving up his apparently much more lucrative previous career.
     
    Taluntain, Jan 19, 2009
    #29

  10. Fabius Maximus Gems: 19/31
    Latest gem: Aquamarine

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    3
    That quote comes not even close to complaining about Wizards paying to little. It is a statement that RPG writing is not a way to become rich. Especially when you're a freelancer. This is widely known. You are reading too much into the sentence.

    Also, if the subject comes up, maybe the interviewers are to blame?
     
    Fabius Maximus, Jan 20, 2009
    #30
  11. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2000
    Messages:
    23,653
    Media:
    494
    Likes Received:
    570
    Gender:
    Male
    Look, believe what you want, and feel free to continue to ignore the rest of what I wrote, as it obviously suits you. :rolleyes: Why you think you have to go on a crusade over this really baffles me. For the record, I like Eberron as a setting, so you're not really achieving anything here.
     
    Taluntain, Jan 20, 2009
    #31
    martaug likes this.

  12. Rawgrim Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    27
    I`ve never spoken with anyone who has bought an Ebberon book though. Doesn`t seem like a popular setting at all, really.
     
    Rawgrim, Jan 20, 2009
    #32

  13. Fabius Maximus Gems: 19/31
    Latest gem: Aquamarine

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    3
    @Rawgrim: That's because it's not popular in Europe. The sales in the US were high enough for Wizards to put out mutiple books.
     
    Fabius Maximus, Jan 20, 2009
    #33

  14. Rawgrim Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    1,365
    Likes Received:
    27
    That might be it, yes.
     
    Rawgrim, Jan 21, 2009
    #34

  15. Fabius Maximus Gems: 19/31
    Latest gem: Aquamarine

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    3
    By the way: You just have spoken with someone who owns all but 2 Eberron source books. ;)
     
    Fabius Maximus, Jan 21, 2009
    #35
  16. henkie

    henkie Hammertime Resourceful Adored Veteran New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!)

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2006
    Messages:
    2,662
    Media:
    38
    Likes Received:
    158
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually, I've never spoken to anyone who's bought any D&D book at all (IRL, that is).
     
    henkie, Jan 22, 2009
    #36
Page 2 of 2
Sorcerer's Place is a project run entirely by fans and for fans. Maintaining Sorcerer's Place and a stable environment for all our hosted sites requires a substantial amount of our time and funds on a regular basis, so please consider supporting us to keep the site up & running smoothly. Thank you!

Sorcerers.net is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to products on amazon.com, amazon.ca and amazon.co.uk. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.