French Gay Football Team Says Muslim Players 'Homophobic'

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So what if a Christian pastor refused to baptize a homosexual? Would you react the same?

The fact is that disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle is still an acceptable opinion. Hating homosexuals isn't so much, but then they didn't show any hate, just disagreement. They didn't cuss out the gays, they didn't slander them, or imply that they would spread gay-cooties by playing, just that their beliefs contradict the beliefs of the homosexual players.

 

Acceptable to you, not all others. By refusing to play against them, they certainly aren't showing they like them, so hatred is easily implied in this matter.

 

What's that? A group of particularly religious people hate homosexuals?

Gee, I'm shocked.

 

Would that happen? Wouldn't a Christian pastor think a homosexual who wanted to convert would be to his benefit?

 

The bolds are mine.

If you're hinting that France is a backward country that segregates its population I'd like to publicly state that although the situation in France may not be perfect, we didn't have systematic segregation, Jim Crow laws and the like over here even in the 60's.

If you didn't mean that then I guess you can ignore that part.

Regarding the topic I think that constituting teams solely because players belong to a religious group or a sexual minority is probably a way of enforcing exclusion (just like any club or organization that has such criteria as a basis to qualify for membership).

That being said, not wanting to play with the Gay team is certainly not the politically correct thing to do but their reaction was at least honest and not aggressive. That is just fair they should lose.

Let's face it, you won't find many devoutly religious people cheering gays and lesbians when the Gay Pride is held.

 

No Caradhras, I was not implying that. I consider France on par with the US. No worries.

As for leagues, clubs and memberships, I am not stating they are breaking any laws. I just completely disagree with a league that would allow that type of behavior. Hence I would no longer be a member.

 

That's just a smokescreen for bigotry. Sorry.

By that rationale, the team wouldn't play against a Christian team, or any other religious team. But they do I'll wager.

 

It depends on how much you disagree with certain ideas. If you believe that Christians are merely deluded, then you might still play against them. But if you believe that homosexuals are disgusting perverts and not merely deluded, you might have more desire to avoid contact with them.

I say that their actions are certainly in bad taste, but refusing to play a team is not the equivalent of torching their clubhouse or shooting them on the streets. The phrase "mountain out of a molehill" comes to mind.

It also brings up an interesting issue -- my daughters love that stupid movie "Hairspray". You know the recent version where John Travolta dresses in drag? Well, some gays wanted him boycotted from the movie because he's a Scientologist, and they claimed that Scientologists hate gays. Travolta hadn't brought the issue up in relation to the movie.

I hope you all see the parallel here -- not wanting to associate with someone does not equate to assaulting someone. I am not a fan of Scientology, BTW.

Bad taste does not solely reside with religious people. The gays I mention here would have been well advised to shut the hell up, just as the Muslims would have been well advised to have thought before they joined the league.

But maybe they did so in an effort to express their disapproval of gay behaviour. If they did, well, it was a peaceful expression that did not involve them physically injuring the gay soccer players. We go around telling Muslims that they need to understand that other people have a right to "offend" them, and that they should just suck it up like the rest of us. That's good advice for the gay team as well. They should quit acting like they actually suffered real damages and just prepare for their next match.

I'd say the same thing if a fundamentalist Christian team refused to play the Muslims.

 

Hatred of the people is an assumption, though; not something indicated in their email. That's what I'm saying: you see hate because you expect to see hate. You see someone who doesn't like homosexuality and assume the response is one of hate for the people. That's not demonstrated by evidence, though, and is not typical fact in my experience with Christians (a different religious group, but one with similar feelings on the issue).

Remember, it's possible to not like someone, but also not hate them. It's also possible to like someone, yet still disagree with their moral choices. I know Christians who are good friends with gays, yet still object to their homosexual lifestyle whenever it comes up in conversation.

Not if he doesn't give up his homosexual lifestyle. Sorry, I could have made that more clear. Converting to Christianity pretty much assumes you accept the Christian moral code and, even if you may not succeed, at least will genuinely try to live by it. An unreprentant homosexual isn't.

 

I have worked with gay men (and woman) together, shoulder to shoulder so to speak, and it didn't rub off. I shared flat with gay men and woman, and it didn't rub off. As long as gays keep their sex life in the bedroom I couldn't care less. It is in my experience so that the people who crack the most gay jokes are those who know no gays, and who feel most uncomfortable around gays.

Like Thresher I see this unwillingness to play against a gay team as an expression of bigotry. In my experience football players are pretty homophobic anyway. Of course, the Muslim team is free to play or not to play, just like anyone else - but their decision not to play tells a lot about their attitude. It is probably no sin to play football against sinners.

The standard stereotype holds that gays are effete girly men anyway, so straight manly men would have beaten them easily, right? Gee, what if they hadn't? Oh the disgrace! And what if they're being tackled by a gay player - and like it? Oh the horror! And what is when they are being infected with 'TEH GAY'

 

Even though that comment was laced with sarcasm, there may be some truth to it...

 

Especially if they end up with a difficult-to-cover-up woody. Oh the embarrassment!

 

Off topic - At my Junior high school, there was a "female" gym teacher who taught the girls. Which meant "she" was in the locker rooms when they were changing. Eventually, one day after they were outside for gym class, the principal received several angry calls from parents, apparently "she" was wearing sweat pants and was sporting wood while watching the girls. "Her" firing was immediate. Funny thing was, she did look like the lady's gym teacher "Ballbreaker" from "Porky's". The thought of Ballbreaker with wood is a scary one!