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Dangerous Long Hair Threatens Elementary School!

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by LKD, Jan 12, 2010.

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    I'm all for strict rules, especially on grooming.* But this is just a little retarded - and I'm referring to both sides. The kid is 4 years old for heaven's sake. The school should not be so wound up about it.

    On the flip side, all it would take is for the parent to give the kid a haircut. IMHO, the parent is likely one of the morons who is using their kid to make a point rather than actually caring about the well being of the kid -- the "question authority for the sake of questioning authority" type of loser who has nothing better to contribute to society than making mountains out of molehills. Both sides need to be tasered.**

    * the Mormon upbringing coming through

    ** The parent NOT the kid. The whole school board needs it, though!!
     
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    If they don't prevent little girls from having long hair as well, then this is beyond assinine and is probably unconstitutional, as if that standard should ever be applied to a 4 year old's hair. If they do prevent girls from having long hair, then it's equal opportunity stupid, but something I would probably not get worked up about.

    (As an aside, my son's hair is shoulder length or longer and has been for many years -- his choice, not ours.)
     
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    Dumb school district + dumb parents = ???
     
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    Welcome to Texas....

    My wife took our 8-year-old to the dentist a few weeks ago. When my wife returned her to the school, the person behind the counter asked my wife where her "doctor's excuse was." Excuse me, but perhaps these fools don't understand that we are her legal guardians, not the dentist. When my wife replied that she didn't get one, the person asked if she would like to have one faxed over. My wife replied, "No, that won't be necessary. I really don't need one," to the rather stunned school clerk.

    The school called me on my cell later in the day to inform me that they would grade her absent for the entire day. Great, next time I'll just keep her home for the entire day, in that case.

    Welcome to the US. It seems that its citizens are learning well from the media and the political operatives of their respective parties. I guess they are learning well from the "authorities" themselves....
     
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    We had the same stupid ******** at our secondary school. Girls are allowed to have long hair, but boys are not. That sounds like a sexist double standard to me, and I think any school or employer who enforces such a standard is open to a discrimination suit.

    And yeah, I'm not usually one to scream discrimination, and I actually find short hair on guys more visually appealing, but it really pisses me off that a guy can grow their hair for years, take good care of it, shampoo it every day, and all around have good hair hygeine, and then be told by some ******** that they need to cut it short.

    All in all, I wish schools would actually teach kids, instead of dicking around with stupid **** like this.

    Excuse? LOL, arrogant little tosser. Good on you for telling the clerk to go and **** themselves. Primary school (and the first five years of secondary school) doesn't mean dick anyway.
     
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    ...

    I'm honestly rather stunned, by both sides. I agree with LKD that a slight tasing may do well all around (for adults, kid's done nothing wrong). Short of that, due to any possible moral objections, I'd be happy to volunteer to slap them all silly. It may cost me the use of my hand for a few days, but I'll make the sacrifice.
     
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    But it is just a conservative school, where children are prepared for their roles in later life!

    Practically that means something along these lines: The boys are to look like boys, lest one of them gets teh gay (or becomes a violent criminal also known as a biker, or a pagan role-player or goth type, probably the latter is even worse). And girls are supposed to look like girls, lest they catch teh gay, too (look at Rachel Maddow, she wears pants and has short hair - coincidence? :skeptic:). Girls have to wear skirts, and their school uniform is to be pink. The boys' school uniform is to be light blue.

    And everything has its order. As it is certainly written down in great and pedantic detail in the school charter. No exceptions, rules are for everyone. The school charter is to be followed to the letter, because. Yes, mainly because.

    And then think about liability - what if parents sue the school for allowing long hair, because that's what made their boy catch teh gay? In a place as crowded as a school, it could spread like wildfire! :eek:

    And think about the agony of god fearing parents having to answer their confused children's desperate cries for help: 'Why is it, Mom, that Taylor Pugh has long hair even though he is a boy?' The mother then suppresses her tears, swallows hard, turns to her child and solemnly says: 'That's because Liberals have defiled everything that's good and holy in America, including the difference between man and woman!' 'Why would they do such a thing, Mom?' 'Because they godless, wicked people!' :eek:

    I think it would be perfectly reasonable to force-shave this pupil, and jail or publicly flog his parents. In insisting on his hair to be long they expose their child to great moral danger and uncertainty, and subversively undermine school order. It's for his own good, and theirs.
     
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    Kitrax Pantaloons are supposed to go where!?!?

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    Oh goodie! Another situation that is deserving of the:
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    I mean seriously people! It's just normal long hair. Now if the parents were using hair cement to give the kid 10" spikes, then I can see a problem.

    Idiots the lot of them! :nono:
     
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    Could you please post some references for this rant? I wasn't aware that it was a conservative school? Does that mean it is a private school? If so then my opinion totally changes on this issue and if the private school has a policy then everyone enrolled in it must follow it. I thought it was a public school.
     
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    [​IMG] There was a mild spat of trouble in my school when I was in the first year, a girl had waist long hair and had it cut really, really short. The teachers invited the parents in for a chat :p

    That was mainly because it was a DRAMATIC change though and they were concerned something had happened which triggered a rebellious response. Teachers thought they had a new student at first, nobody recognised her.

    But hair growing... that's natural, and fine. Why should men have short hair anyway? As long as it doesn't cause a danger such as loose in a chemical laboratory - which at his age I'd be more concerned he got in one, then there should be no fuss.
     
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    I believe most men have short hair because we are naturally lazy and short hair requires little to no care.
     
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    Ragusa's rant is - in general terms - so very right. It might not apply to this specific case but it rings very true and strongly reminds me of my school.

    This. ThisthisthisthisTHIS! Argh. School is such a vacant institution - The Rules are God and let The Rules never be questioned openly or modified, especially not by those governed by The Rules.
     
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    Snook,
    I used 'conservative' in the European meaning of the word. Conservative in the sense of emphacising the traditional roles (i.e. boys have short hair, play manly games, wear pants; girls have long hair, wear skirts, cook etc.), and then playing with that idea and poking fun at some American Conservatives and why they might actually like a four year old to be short haired. I also covered the point that it indeed might simply just be 'the rules' and ridiculed that as well.

    In that sense the question after the school form is thoroughly pointless for understanding my post.
     
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    I agree with Aik's quote of Ragusa, as most schools are so pedantically hide-bound as to break conscience if not the law.

    Beyond that, the link between 'consevative' and the vast over-use of 'teh gays' in Rag's post really just paints it as a mindless rant against percieved wrongs by the American Right. That may not have been what you meant, but I think that's what everyone here reading it read it as.

    And, just since the question was raised (by my wife as well when I talked to her about it), the school is public, otherwise the School Board wouldn't be reviewing their hair-cutting policy.
     
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    I only object to the 'mindless' and the 'perceived wrongs'. The people I took aim at are real, their peculiar paranoias and themes are real. Their number I don't know, and don't really care about, but they're every now and then very vocal, and frequently more than hair raising. I didn't need to exaggerate all that much. I have a wealth of real life material to play with.
     
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    I'll take your word for it. All I know is it's a caracature I frequently see raised up by the left, but have never actually seen in the right itself.
     
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    I had long hair from 7th grade up into my twenties. I only cut it because I was thinning so much on top. I went to a Catholic High school for 9th grade. I switched to public halfway through that year. No matter how good my grades were and no matter how well behaved I was, most of the teachers gave me flack constantly, because of my hair. I was the only kid with it. It wasn't in the manual or in any school guidelines about hair length at the time. They forgot to add it I guess. Eventually one of the school Admins told me I had to cut my hair. He tried to squeeze my shoulder very hard when doing so. Like he was going to scare me into doing it or something. I removed his hand and clued him on what I thought of him and his school. A real eyebrow raiser for him. Needless to say that was my last day attending that school. My father is a weekly church goer at the connected parish, but even he thought they crossed the line. So he paid the Brother a visit as well. About the whole squeezing my shoulder thing. My father is a big man. The Brother apologized quickly. Pathetic a-hole. I saw him in a local conveyence store when in my Senior year. I was much bigger, though not BIG by any standards. Aorund 5/7 120 lbs. But not the little 9th grader I was prior. He looked right at me and I said real loud, "Hey, isn't that the guy whole feels up all of the kids at Bishop ****". He practically ran out of that store after all the glares he was geting. Sweet revenge.....:evil:
     
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    I don't know, I guess I grew up with it so I'm not too surprised/shocked at this debate of an enforced rule of hair length. All schools where I come from require all males to have short hair (how short is up for debate though, it tends to be considerably short and definitely not touch the collar). In fact, in my school, sometimes you don't even get a warning. Might get a (terrible) haircut in school during public assembly in front of everyone (which is definitely too extreme).
     
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    If it's a private school, then the parents are donkeyholes. If it's a public school, then hair length should not be an issue -- clothing should be, but not hair (and this is from a guy who generally disapproves of long hair on guys)

    Still, it's a minor thing. The parents should just cut the little bugger's hair for his sake. Conversely, the school should let him back into class without the haircut for his sake. The fact that neither side is backing down tells me that they are all douchebags who are using the kid as a rallying point rather than caring about him.
     
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    Your point is a good one LKD. It should always be about the child 1st.
     
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