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Damn, you're always following me from thread to thread, shooting off some snarky comment. You're like a mosquito.

But seriously, I wish people would chill out. The opinion of some dude on the internet (who hardly ever posts on this forum) isn't worth getting your blood pressure up over. The problem is that people take things written on web forums way to seriously.

 

Do I now? I read every thread on this forum and there are plenty of threads you have posted In and I have not bothered with, or similarly I have posted on but not bothered with you.

I see people like you every weekend, you make inflammatory comments and then complain that people take them too seriously when you get smacked in the mouth.
If you intentionally come here to pi$$ people off, expect a backlash.

 

It sure seems like it. In almost every thread I post, you jump in to throw off some flip one liner.

No way. There is no-one like me.

'Smacked in the mouth'? Hardly. Like I said, you're simply the annoying gnat, irritating me when I'm trying to focus on more important things.

 

Please get over yourself. That I wasn't able to psychically glean from your post the exact word you intended to use is nothing to be ashamed of, nor was I the only person that failed to properly interpret your phrase. Take a look at post number 11. Rahkir's "bastard" analogy clearly indicates that he had come to the same conclusion as I did about what you were saying. When I use a censored word, I make damn sure that there is no ambiguity whatsoever regarding its interpretation. The failure in this instance is yours.

I already went to great length to explain how using a term like [insert word here] pass equates it's the first term to the target group. Watch.

Referring to a woman by her ovaries or her estrogen is generally acceptable, because both are a matter of pride for women and viewed in a positive light. Referring to a woman by a derogatory term for her sexual organ is...different. If the word being filtered were benign, that would be one thing...but the in this case the word remains unquestionably derogatory -- and you still shouldn't use it. Urban dictionary, while an often amusing and exhaustive lexicon, is hardly the benchmark for a phrase's acceptability.

Frankly, I have too much derision for the manner in which you speak and conduct yourself on these forums to be enraged by anything you say. You aren't worth it.

 

Right, this thread isn't about who can make the most well-rounded insult or about who can wind who up (and yes, I'm guilty of whining on here as well). Either talk about this womans case or not. If you want to have a snipe at each other then do it in PM

 

Blatant sexism sums it up, I cant see how this *****-rant has anything to do with the case, the facts are:

Tobias pled guilty to second degree murder

A judge will issue her sentence in December

Tobias could face the rest of her life behind bars

please tell me what this pu-ssy pass crap has to do with the case

 

Thank you. I thought it had a ring to it as well, but some white knights are very uptight. Isn't it funny how it is to men who are the most outraged? I wonder if these same people would have been as quick to retaliate against criticism of male privilege? Nahhh, probably not. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because of... the p ussy pass?

Poor innocent women, must be protected from all criticism by evil 'misogynists'.

I'm making a prediction.

 

Here's an idea...shut the hell up Mordea

 

Where 'abuse' = slamming a door?

Strange how these 'abused' women have the courage to shoot their unarmed husband in the back, or cut his penis off while he sleeps. But are too 'afraid' to just walk out the door.

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What's this? A woman wanting a man to self-censor criticism of female privilege? Wow, I'm shocked I tell ya!

 

mordea, it appears you have never been in an abusive relationship. Nor does it appear you are currently capable of understanding the psyche of those in such a relationship. There are many on-line places you could actually do research and come to a modest understanding of the psychological issue affecting abuse -- you should take a little time and educate yourself.

 

This only shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Such women who simply 'walk out the door' usually end up dead in the street with the backs of their skulls caved in. And that's a literal end, not a figurative one.

No, a forum poster wanting other forum posters to post with some degree of decorum (and apparently losing her temper in the process).

Also, to inform you a little, actual statistics show that women are generally sentenced much more severely for crimes against children, or any crime that breaks the societal picture of the 'good wife and mother' than men are for the same (or equivalent) crimes. Neither judges nor jurries like 'bad mothers'. A man killing his child may get 10 years, a woman doing the same often gets 30. So much for the p****-pass (which, btw, wouldn't be nearly as offensive, to me at least, if you used it in reference with a particular subset of all women, instead of generalizing it).

 

Mordea, I've BEEN in an abusive relationship so until you've been there just stop being a tosser.
And while you're busy thinking up some smart-arse reply, look around the boards a bit and maybe you'll twig that, just for tonight, you aren't anything special. A lot of us have just lost a friend on here and now's not the time to put up with you and your crap

 

Mordea has a small, faint, underlying point to his comment. Many women could solve their problems by walking out the door; lots of them can't. Once again Mordea, it isn't your content that people are objecting to, it is how you phrase your statements.

NOG, your comment is interesting; do you have any evidence to prove that women are sentenced harsher in cases involving crimes against children? It makes logical sense.

 

I believe in the "free" pass that women get in terms of sentencing. We all know that abusive relationships exist and we are all disgusted by them, but it doesn't necessarily follow that every time a woman claims abuse it is truly abuse. To many women, it is abuse if their partner doesn't kowtow to their every whim -- daring to disagree with Her Highness is Abuse!

In the cases where the husband is killed, well, all we have left is a lot of circumstantial crap, isn't it? He's no longer able to defend himself. Now it is entirely possible that, as Chicago puts it, "He had it coming", but it is also possible that she is lying, or stupid, or had other motives. The rush to brand men with the "abuser" tag is unfair, to say the least.

Feminism has made great strides for women's rights, and good on 'em for doing it, but there needs to be a serious look at the movement and a recognition from these people that women need to be equal to men in the sense of being held responsible for their own choices rather than constantly claiming that everything bad in the world that happens is the fault of a man.

On a side note, I like Mordea's reversal of roles. We can see just how unbalanced and weird our society has become by merely performing this litmus test. I'm going to do another, more minor one:

The greatest crime a man can be accused of these days is "he doesn't respect women." -- Seriously, you hang that tag on a guy and he's done like dinner. Do we ever hear "she doesn't respect men?" if we do, it's because men have treated her badly, and it is their fault, and Go Girl, Cut It Off! sort of nonsense. We always hear how little boys need to be taught at an early age to respect women. Can you imagine if it were suggested that little girls be taught to respect men? Hords of flat chested, short haired feminists would be screaming about patriarchal domination and "we don't HAVE to respect anyone!" in hysterical, rational conversation ending tirades that exhaust both the speaker and the listeners.

I respect everyone I meet from the get go. As I observe their behaviour, I modify that respect. If a particular group has time and time again displayed a certain sort of behaviour, I tend to apply my past experiences to new members of the group I meet, but I try to keep an open mind and give each individual a chance. That said, certain groups tend to aggravate me and lose my respect. Indicuduals can regain it, but overall, if you fall into one of those categories, the behaviours I have observed / experienced tend to alter my position and respect level. That's my current situation with women. I distrust most of them based on the crappy treatment I have experienced at their hands (all the while being justified by them due to their womanhood) but some (like my wife, Sil, 8, Rallymama, my friend Eileen) do have my respect because they have proved themselves to be different from the rest.

 

Yup, we're the ones that carry shears on us at all times

There's far too often that political correctness has turned into pussyfooting. Just as it's also evolved into resentment.

There has been a lot of research into 'battered wife syndrome' some of the psychological damage is worse than the physical abuse (in my opinion, at least) many women get a more lenient sentence because they turn themselves in, not fully understanding what they have done or even why.

It takes a pathetic example of the species to equate abuse with slamming a door, just as it takes an equally pathetic excuse to marginalise the spectrum of abuse endured and suffered to some prissy little cow crying for attention.

I disagree that to many women that simply not fulfilling desires is abuse. Neglect perhaps, depending on the severity, but someone seeking that much attention is going to just walk away when they don't get what they want.

 

Here's a thing from the facebook page of a friend of mine:

OK, let's break that down. Screaming is abuse? Then women do it just as often as men -- women love to scream and yell, when I lived in an apartment building I heard lots of women raising their voices. Bottom line -- just because someone is yelling doesn't always make it abuse.

Humiliate? Lots of women humiliate their husbands or the men they are dating. It's not nice, but it ain't abuse.

Offend? Gimme a frigging break, people offend me all the time, I don't claim that it's abuse, and the same can be said for millions of people worldwide. What a load of crap.

Insult? See screaming. I've seen lots of women insult their husbands, right in public. No one calls it abuse. It happens, and it ain't a one way street.

Hurt? I'm assuming that they are referring to physical abuse, which is wrong. but if they are just talking about hurt feelings, then they should shut the hell up. "Oh, he hurt my feelings when he told me that I can't run up our credit card bills every month. Boo Hoo, he's abusive!" Even in the best of marriages spouses hurt each others' feelings from time to time. No one with a brain calls it abuse.

And the whole idea running beneath it is this -- your wife, instead of being loyal to you, every time you tick her off she is looking at other men. So much for being trustworthy, or honest, or dependable. When men look at other women, what is it, no matter what the wife has done? Oh, yeah, it's abuse.

Now don't get me wrong, I am against real emotional abuse and physical abuse, and I don't wish by any means to minimize women who truly suffer at the hands of a bastard. But the way I see some women climb onto the bandwagon "oh, you're crying? Honey, he must be abusing you. get out get out!" Far too quick to throw that label around, let me tell you. Just because the chick is crying doesn't mean abuse has occurred. I've known too many women who can turn the waterworks on and off like a faucet. Manipulative pieces of crap. I don't buy that emotional blackmail stuff anymore.

 

Taking LKD's bias tone out of it; I agree. People who claim abuse when they really just had a failed relationship (which can be very sad, and makes men cry just as much as women) lessens the response a person who is 'actually' being abused receives.

If humans could not lie, there would be no question in cases of abuse; when a complaint was filed or a person (man or woman) was charged with abuse that person would be put in jail and kept away from the abused. The reason this does not happen is based upon the very fact that people do lie, for whatever reason, they lie about abuse. It is far far too hard for an outsider to judge these cases without all relevant information, so it is fairly pointless to try.

The only thing I would suggest, LKD, is to place the burden onto BOTH sexes. BOTH men and women lie about abuse (abusing and being abused). BOTH men and women are actually abused. BOTH men and women can be manipulative pieces of crap. (I include physical and mental manipulation; there is no point arguing who does which more)

The way you say it seems like you're stating women are the ones who lie about receiving it and men lie about giving it. That because women do it, it's not as bad when men do it. (I know this is 'not' what you are saying; but the only reason I know this is because you clearly state it in your last paragraph. If I had read this without the last paragraph, I would have thought you were justifying abuse of women, because women abuse men.)

The media outcries much more when a husband hits his wife than when a wife hits her husband; that doesn't mean that is a real-world sample of abuse cases. Edit for a quick example of this- In the show Teen Mom, one of the mothers at one point, slapped, punched, kicked and shoved her boyfriend down a flight of stairs while he was carrying a TV. Surely, people went "Wow, that girl is not nice!" but if the roles were reversed, there would be an outcry.

 

LKD, screaming, insults, offending, humiliating and hurting (emotional, physical, or both) ARE all part of abuse. Your comments aren't even close to being on target about these things. I don't think you really have a good understanding of how those elements can be used to harm someone.