Girls less likely to use protection = Boy still to blame

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Last time I checked it takes two. Really, you need someone to expalain that to you?

 

It takes two to get Parkinson's in the boxing ring, too.

If your daughter *consents* to an activity which will likely make her pregnant, then it is her fault if she gets pregnant. Try to offload blame on the man is a laugh, he didn't hold a gun to her head. Men don't 'get' women pregnant, women make themselves pregnant by using a penis.

 

I will reiterate an earlier comment:

Of course that teaches her responsibility ... for God's sake she just lost a boyfriend! That's a painful process to go through. It only took my daughter a couple of lessons....

I kept these posted on the refridgerator when my daughter was dating: Rules for Dating My Daughter (in the spoiler)

Spoiler

Rule One: If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure as hell not picking anything up.

Rule Two: You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them.

Rule Three: I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open-minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four: I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilising a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate: when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five: In order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early."

Rule Six: I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven: As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight: The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter:
- Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool.
- Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight.
- Places where there is darkness.
- Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness.
- Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka zipped up to her throat.
- Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which feature chainsaws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine: Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a pot-bellied, balding, middle-aged, dim-witted has-been, but on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and forty acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten: Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy outside of Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.

My favorite was when a young suitor came over while I was putting up wallpaper. He never took his eyes off the utility knife I was holding gingerly during our conversation.

 

>Implying parents know about every boyfriend/girlfriend.

Sorry folks, had to be done.

As for the eiaculatio praceox and the pains of putting a condom on, I could say many things, however, they would most definitely belong in the MUG.

 

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Not trying to be cutesy, but don't forget girlfriend/girlfriend too. That usually comes as a BIG surprise for whatever reason (if it's discovered at all).

 

I meant boyfriend/girlfriend of their CHILD, whatever gender .

 

Me too, but as pertains to girlfriends of girlfriends specifically.

 

Well... in that case contraception would not be an issue!

 

@mordea, no one is saying that it all the males fault. Takes two so two are responsible.

The original topic deals with teen-age rs having sex for the first time. Teen-age is from 13 to 19. This is a difficult age for both males and females. Chemistry is changing, the body is changing, attitudes are changing.

A 17 year old male dating a 13 year old girl is IMO a no-no. Chances are that he is experience and she is not. Chances are that he is not interested in a serious relationship. Chances are that she will be flattered by the attention of a 'older' man.

Parents are responsible for their own children, teaching them responsibility but also protecting them. I see nothing sexist in a father wanting to protect his daughter. Seems natural to me.

What ever happened to abstinence? Nature does not like promiscuity or she wouldn't have created STD.

 

It's funny how age gaps matter less as you get older. I'm 26, Rob's 34. We're married and have a kid and that's ok. However, when he was 18 I was 10!

 

Then again, does Nature prefer lesbians? They are least likely to contract any sexually-transmitted diseases, after all.

 

Good question. Nature's primary purpose is the propagation of the species so I think not. Another topic probably but has there been any studies to show the chance of STD in relation to the promiscuity of lesbians? Generally speaking women want a relationship not just sex partners. Of course there are exceptions. But this is off topic.

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Sorry didn't see this. It is a matter of maturity. Teen-agers have a lot of growing up to do and modern times have expanded childhood. No longer is a boy or girl considered an adult at say 14 and ready to and expected to take on responsibility.

Besides, Silvery, you know girls mature sooner than boys.

 

I've disagreed with a few things in this thread. Primarily, as many have pointed out (though mordea refuted), it takes two people to have unprotected sex. Both are equally responsible for any consequences of that act, be it pregnancy or STDs. One may suffer the consequences more than another, but both are equally responsible.

On another note, Chandos pointed out that we're talking teenagers and their first sex encounter, so we shouldn't expect much. :BS: At 12 with 0 experience I knew about STDs and protection. I also knew that abstinance was the only 100% effective means (things can go wrong with any protection).

I also disagree with the discussion of male use of condoms. When my wife and I were first married, we were in no position to have a child. It also quickly became apparent that the pill caused my wife to have a lot of yeast infections (one possible side effect). We switched to condoms without a second thought. Sure, it's more fun without them, but men can recognize consequences just as well as women, and in 'the heat of it', too. The stereotype that the male brain shuts down from loss of blood or something is, frankly, insulting.

And as for 'eiaculatio praecox', I don't think I've seen one shred of truth in here yet. The truth is that it's a medical condition entirely seperate from age, and that those who suffer from it generally suffer their entire lives. It's not a matter of 'control' any more than siezures are. Also, recovery time is likewise indepenent of age. Some men are ready to go again in 5 seconds at age 80, while other teenagers take hours to recover fully. I realize some people find it very funny to joke about these kinds of things. Others find it funny to joke about someone's heritage, skin color, accent, or combat injuries. I consider these all to be about par.

Lastly, Nakia, I know what you mean about teenagers and maturity, but it's a dangerous generalization. Everyone matures at different rates, and physical maturity is largely disconnected from mental maturity. There was a time when a 13 year old boy was an adult man. Those societies worked quite well for their levels of technology. They didn't sink into the sea or anything. Our modern society has expanded 'childhood' well beyond it's natural state primarily because of education. Also, I'm convinced, because we all became very confused when we switched to the nuclear family model. Suddenly, being a responsible adult and living on your own had to happen at the same time. It is perfectly possible for a 13-year-old and a 20-year-old to have the same level of mental and emotional maturity. That may say something very good about the 13-year-old. Or something very bad about the 20-year-old. Anyway, my overall point is that that issue is best handled on a case-by-case basis.

 

No one is disputing that everyone at that age knows that. In fact, by now they probably know more than you did at 12. There is a difference between knowing something and experiencing something. I guess what you are saying is that you knew and you also refrained. You didn't say as much but I take it that was the case. I certainly hope my kids make the same choice, regardless of the choices I made. I lucked out, so I have no regrets.

That's nice for you, but I never liked them. I only used them when I was with a girl I didin't know very well for fear of STDs. Mrs. Chandos did not like the pill so we used no birth control for the first several years we were together and then when married it still took several years before she got PG, even though we were trying [like almost every day], so I guess we beat the odds for the longest time. I felt like Kevin Bacon in that movie, but I can't remember the title. Even though my two girls are only 20 months apart, it was 4 years again before we had our last son with no BC. And for all of you who think you know so much without ever having the joy of having your own child, everytime I see my son, I thank God for him, because he was the best "mistake" I ever made. Besides, they don't make those things big enough for me.

 

This was a fun discussion ... thanks NOG.

 

Punishing a male for a woman's poor judgement. Nope, nothing sexist there. Move along, folks, move along.

If parents were genuinely concerned about protecting their daughter, they would teach her how to behave in a responsible fashion. Ya know, protect her from her own stupidity, instead of threatening to kill other people. Instead, fathers brainwashed by a misandristic society would rather punish the male for their daughter's bad decision, after the fact. "Oh, princess was taken advantage of by that sex crazed male, I tell ya. HE'S DEAD. "

SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST ********.

No. Males are *not* responsible for getting the woman pregnant, any more than a boxer is responsible for my brain damage if I jump into the ring for a match.

Women consent to engaging in sexual intercourse, knowing full well that they run the risk of becoming pregnant. They have no right to even attribute 1% of the blame to the man.

 

...And males don't know they can get a female PG?

You continue to describe yourself very well.

Hence, if you read my post carefully, it is actually before the fact. Think of it, Mordy, as just another form of "birth control." The trick is to nail them before they get the chance to attack "princess," not after the fact.

Yes, and keep their daughters away from "nasty guys" whose parents have failed to teach THEM to be responsible. But as T2 points out, it may take several "lessons."

 

Good luck telling this to the CSA when they come knocking asking for 15% of your wages for child support.

 

You can damage someone's brain in a boxing match, too. Doesn't change the fact that they knew the risk, and consented to taking it.

Even better, a surgeon can cause damage when they operate on you. Surgery can even result in life-threatening complications. Yet every patient is informed of this risk, and consents to taking it.

If a woman allows a penis to enter her, knowing the risk of getting pregnant, then it is *her* fault if she becomes pregnant. Not the man's. *She* allowed a penis to enter *her* body. Her body, her choice.

Edit: By the way, isn't it funny how women claim that it is their body, and therefore their choice, to abort a child? But when it comes to their body getting pregnant, the man is at fault? LOL!

I'm not the one espousing sexist double-standards.

Would you gun down any female who attempts to trap one of your boys into 18 years of child support?

Didn't think so. Isn't it strange how fathers don't attempt to protect their sons from 18 years of enslavement by gunning down girls?

So guys who want sex are 'nasty' now? Wow.

And you can't trust your daughter to use common sense, and stay away from 'nasty' guys? Maybe you ought to discipline your daughter, rather than the guy, who isn't even your progeny.

Since you're worried about your daughter having sex with 'nasty' guys, then I'd hazard a guess that you haven't taught them how to be responsible. Turning down penis is one of a woman's primary biological functions, females throughout the animal kingdom are responsible for turning down sex with lacklustre males.

You might want to treat the source of the problem (ie. your daughter's behaviour), rather than the symptom (ie. guys who take the opportunity to have sex with your daughter, who is willing to put out.)