All things Bond -- James Bond

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That one's Live and Let Die. I wouldn't be a fan at all myself. Never been into voodoo as a mythology and I don't think the supernatural suits Bond.

 

You thought he was good?! He wasn't even a villain, he was a puppet the whole time. Everything he did was out of fear, and he didn't even do very many villainy things. Well, the poison scene was awesome, but that was because of Daniels' acting.

 

Not many villainy things? He acted as a bank to some of the worst groups on the planet. He staged a terrorist attack purely to profit from the resultant instability. And so on. He was an intelligent, calculating, realistic villain who was well acted. He wouldn't have suited the old Bonds who needed a pantomino villain but he was very good for the new gritty style.

 

Craig's Casino Royale was actually listed as having no villain. So Le Chiffre was more like a thinking henchman.

 

Hey, didn't Peter Sellers once play in a Bond movie? He would get my vote for best Bond, so would the movie. I'm a big fan of his. I like the Pink Panther movies a lot.

 

Peter Seller as Bond was Casino Royale. He actually played Evelyn Tremble and going undercover as Bond, so he was technically not Bond.

I just watch Timothy Dalton's License to Kill. Well, Pam Bouvier (Carey Lowell) is now along side Miranda Frost as my prettiest Bond Girls.

Also a new favorite Bond song from License to Kill was Patti LaBelle's If You Ask Me To.

 

David Niven was "The Real James Bond" in Casino Royale (1966 version). Woody Allen was a hoot.

 

Ah, thanks. I never saw the movie.

 

Are you being serious here? If so, hey, chacun son gout, as the French say, but I get the feeling you are joking -- Pam Bouvier, IMHO, sucked major camel dong, and in addition, If You Ask Me Too was a sucky song.

But that's what this thread is about! People of differing Sensorial tastes expressing differing opinions!

I agree about Miranda Frost, though. I want that girl in the worst way!

 

He certainly was a bad ass, and yet he was also more flawed. I'l spoiler the next bit for those who eventually want to read the books:

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1: He questions his job quite a bit in Casino Royale. He lacked what my good friend Terry Goodkind would call "Moral Clarity". Rene sets him straight.

2: At the end of You Only Live Twice, Bond escapes death in a Japanese lair owned by Blofeld. He is seriously injured and has lost his memory because of it. In the next book, The Man With The Golden Gun, Bond shows up nearly a year later and tries to kill M. It turns out that he wandered north from a Japanese island and was picked up the the Russians (or Chinese, can't remember which), who brainwashed him into being a Commie (cuz that's so easy to do, those Commies are insidious!) and sent him to take out M. As a shot at redemption after some deprogramming sessions, he is sent after a depraved homosexual* killer nicknamed "the Man with the Golden Gun" Odd book, one of the weird cases where the movie is much better.

You'd NEVER see that happen to the film Bond. Ever. Ever ever ever. Even when he quits in Majesty, he does it to be with Tracy. In Licence to Kill, it is arguable that he has gone the other way and is MORE resolute in his desire to bring justice down on the filthy criminals.

*standard stereotype for the era, apologies to modern readers with delicate sensibilities.

 

The Bond of the books would kill Jason Bourne -- without breaking a sweat.

 

That's major camel dong, LKD? I don't know about you but that's a real looker to me.

For Spoiler#1, he did that also in the Casino Royale (D. Craig), the Bond reboot. And in some ways also in Die Another Day (P. Brosnan).

For Spoiler#2, in Die Another Day, Bond was a prisoner of the North Korean army. While not exactly like the event from the book you mentioned, it does shared a similar idea. And boy, was he mad at M and the MI6 for abondoning him. He actually went on a childish fit and M (Judy Dench) had to lecture him back to his senses. In Quantum of Solace, which was a sequel of Casino Royale (D. Craig). He went rogue... again. Another revenge like License To Kill, and this time around he was relentless with rage. I think the newer Bonds have already walked in the directions you have mentioned. So... Never Say Never Again.

 

I'll spoiler:

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Childish fit? Yes. Actually take violent action against anyone who hadn't defected? No. Be brainwashed? definitely not -- that was the whole point behind Die Another Day -- no matter what they did to him he didn't break. That's the difference I'm mentioning.

Oh, Carey Lowell is good looking, I never would deny that, but the character and the acting? Totally didn't do a damn thing for me. Just didn't motivate me. I think it was likely the writing of that character in particular or Lowell's lack of acting experience -- I know that in L&O she did a much better acting job.

 

I kept forgetting that I'm giving up spoilers.

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He didn't break, true. But he did cracked. He certainly didn't get brainwashed but he was sure that he was betrayed by the British government. Couldn't remember much of the details but I'd be watching Die Another Day tonight to refresh my memories before going further.

Basically, I'm saying that the films did attempt to show that Bond can be a bad ass, a ruthless cold blooded killer, and definitely have his flaws. They may not be the exact same flaws you've read from the book but nevertheless, it is there.

Other than that she was one of the prettiest Bond girl to me, I didn't said anything about Carey Lowell's acting or Pam Bouvier's character. Btw, what's L&O?

 

Law and Order. She was an Deputy Assistant District Attorney for a few seasons. Like all of the DADAs before her (with the excpetion of the first onne, who was a guy) she was both really hot and (IIRC) ended up boning Sam Waterston, which is a real step down from Dalton or indeed, and Bond.