How much do you like Trump?

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I'm waiting for tomorrow like a little kid for Christmas. I really hope I get what I wished for. Going to hang my stocking up in the American senate.

 

I really don't think it matters that much at this point. It's only a week.
They don't need to impeach him to charge him for the crimes. It takes longer than a week for the police to put together a case and the prosecutors to convene a Grand Jury. I doubt the investigations have even concluded.
By the time they are ready, he'll be out of office. No reason they can't charge him then.

I think the whole impeachment thing is more political than anything else at this point. It's about the Republicans in Congress distancing themselves from Trump by doing this when it no longer really matters in the grand scheme of things.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trump apologist, and I believe he should be charged for inciting a riot at the very least, but given the time to put together trials, and how close the end of his term is, it seems more a political gesture than a moral or legal one.

That said, I wanted him gone when they impeached him the first time, and believe they should have voted so at the time. I know I said as much back then on several forums and in the real world, although I don't recall if I said that on this particular forum or not.

 

I don't care if it's a political gesture. He was such a smug bastard with the first impeachment trial so a second impeachment that actually sticks will really go nicely into the history books. After that, let him rot in jail until he hangs himself like his buddy Epstein.

 

If you impeach him does that not closes the door for a 2024 comeback. That alone is enough to do it. If not,. he can wiggle his way out of prison with by throwing some cash around(not his) and run for 2024.

 

He would lose some benefits if he was impeached and convicted as a President. Given that Mitch McConnell has said they won't hold the conviction vote until after Biden becomes President, that obviously cannot happen. https://eu.statesman.com/story/news...d-trumps-post-presidency-benefits/6654559002/

They can in theory pass legislation post the trial to prevent him from 2024 and/or the benefits but you can almost guarantee that would be portrayed as Democrat viciousness against a president solely because he was Republican.

 

They should let him make his appearance in Baldur's Gate 3 for example. Would be a great character. Patriotic Chaotic Evil Shaman / Shapeshifter :-)

Because he knows the only alternative would be him dragged out of the White House trying to hold his chair, desk or something, broadcasted everywhere and watched by anyone worldwide. For a narcist, that would be so shameful that leaving willingly suddenly seems like a good alternative ;-)

Curious, not sure if enough Republicans will support it. It's difficult for some of them as well, the party is devided. Is it better for peace's sake (and to keep most voters attached) to keep it this way? For the short term, I guess it is. But all republicans who are not happy with Trump and his course also want to be sure he well not make another appearance in 2024 and though it seems more unlikely now, it is still not impossible. When he is impeached (two third of the votes needed) he will most likely also be banned for returning in 2024 (only the majority of the votes needed)
So for the long term it might be the best for the Republican party or at least for those who want to get rid of Trumpism. In that way, the Republicans are on a crossroad and have to decide which way they will move. Apart from that, it can also be a statement: The president is never bigger than the law, the constitution. It might be the most powerful man in the States, it doesn't allow him to misbehave like this.

 

I think the fact that the Senators are planning on waiting until the 19th, instead of finishing this today, or if they needed time to deliberate reconvening tomorrow morning proves that the whole impeachment is just a political gesture rather than born of any real fears of Trump doing something and needing to be removed from office.

Again, I hate Trump, and do not excuse his behavior.

 

Yeah, great minds think alike ;-)

You shouldn't hate him, nor the stupid people that follow and believe hem still. Your hate will not change them, it will only change yourself. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can (Dr. Martin Luther King)

And I've seen some anti-Trump people becoming more and more mad in their attempts to prove that they are right and others are wrong, sometimes becoming unreasonable themselves. Reminds me of what Nietzsche said (and every Baldur's Gate fan will know this quote)

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you..."

 

I don't understand how they can even have the impeachment proceedings after the Inauguration.

So basically it is the only exception to Double Jeopardy but by the same token the only penalty they can impose is removal from office and being stripped of his pension, making it somewhat more like the difference between a civil case and a criminal one, which as everybody who is familiar with O.J. Simpson knows you can be sued and face a civil suit for the same act even after being found not guilty in criminal court

Again, I don't see the point. If Trump was really that dangerous they would have finished the same day or the next day, instead of adjourning and deciding to do this after he has left office?
What good is kicking him out of office after the 20th?
Granted, stripping him of the pension and free Secret Service protection as well as forever dashing his dreams of running in 2024 or '28 is possible, but the wait seems dumb.

I try not to give him too much attention.
Trumps hits too many of my buttons from bad authority figures back when I was in school.
I really don't want to derail this, but I have a hard time respecting authority because of bad examples when I was in 2nd grade, 3rd, 8th, and high school.
Trump hits a lot of the buttons because he reminds me of those authorities and their hypocrisy.
He's the type of authority I hate, the "Your rules are not my rules" type, and "I can do that because I'm in charge, nobody else can do that", or "I'm in charge, I get to change the rules when I want" or "The rules are interpreted the way I want them to be". Also the hypocrite, which I also hate.

I've spent most of the last four years trying to do what lots of bad authorities told me to do when being bullied/harassed. "Just ignore them" and they won't stop.

 

Thank you for explaining the process so clearly, dmc. So apart from the impeachment process to disallow him from running again, what is the likelihood that he will be laid with criminal charges after he is finally out of office?
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