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On Twitter suspending Trump...

Discussion in 'Alley of Lingering Sighs' started by SlickRCBD, Jan 9, 2021.

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  1. Blackthorne TA

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    I love it when people simply attack the messenger and not the message. Very convincing.
     
    Blackthorne TA, Jan 12, 2021
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    Yeah, I'm in agreement with catbert on this. BTA, if you actually want to convince someone that the Data Integrity Group's alleged findings are somehow valid, I think you might want to source this from something vaguely acceptable to the center. You don't need MSNBC buy-in, obviously, but the Epoch Times? Really?

    As for the Constitution, I'm going to go on a limb here and say my law school education was reasonably decent in providing historical context and analysis. The document was specifically designed to rein in a highly disparate group that had many, many issues (slavery anyone?) and was written to safeguard individual rights of citizens (especially with the Bill of Rights enacted shortly after the Constitution). Telling someone that they have to let someone else use their stuff (here, the Twitter platform) is just completely against what was going on then and there.

    Edit to add: I have absolutely zero reason to believe that the Data Integrity Group is independent and that their findings have any validity. Again, with over 60 losing lawsuits, many in front of Trump appointed judges, you would think that any actual evidence would have been presented and looked at.
     
    dmc, Jan 12, 2021
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    Just take the short amount of time to watch the video. It is an interview of some of the members of the Data Integrity Group, some of the anomalies they found and that what they found was not looked into at all.

    I don't agree with your opinions on the importance of the Constitution.
     
    Blackthorne TA, Jan 12, 2021
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    You should look into the data involved with the election that elected Trump president. I bet you'll find real evidence of fraud there, not just Trump supporters making a well filmed mockumentary with a nice sound track.
     
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    dmc, Jan 13, 2021
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    I would like to also point out that slander or libel is not protected by the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, etc). Nor is inciting a riot or insurrection (the latter of which I don't know if it will stick). Sedition in many cases is also not protected if it leads to violence.
     
    SlickRCBD, Jan 13, 2021
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    OK, that's fine, but that's all just opinion in that Politico article. The video was about actual data and what happened in various states compared to others. Is it true? I don't know, but I haven't seen refutations after watching it, and I have been casually looking for them since watching it because their analyses are fairly new and maybe it will take people a while to go over their stuff. But as I said, interesting and compelling, and if true, an absolute disgrace and embarrassment. And also something that cannot be allowed to continue. I hope people will really get to the bottom of what they found even though it's too late for this election.
     
    Blackthorne TA, Jan 13, 2021
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    I voted for Biden... just saying. I am a right leaning Centrist, but Trump crosses the line too often to be the leader of the US, the leader of the western free world. I was loving my 401k gains right up to the moment COVID hit. Economically we were good. But his ego got the best of him. Then Covid hit and ka-plooey!

    We need a leader who won’t let it go to shit because he didn’t get his way. This guy is a real life Mega-Fat Baby! (Yea that is a Shameless Boss Baby reference...) His ban was warranted..... and let’s be honest with ourselves, we all knew prior to being elected that this guy was a complete spoiled rich a-hole who thinks he can do whatever he wants. Anyone who says his rhetoric has been surprising is a liar.....
     
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    Which is exactly why I didn't vote for him in either election.
    What I can't understand is what kind of idiot would vote for him, but my State of Illinois voted overwhelmingly against Trump both times.
     
    SlickRCBD, Jan 14, 2021
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    I live in Northern IL as well. Though I hate it’s one sided-ness I am glad for it in this election. Though when I first moved I felt my backing of John McCain was pointless. The system is rigged here and until they fix the Cook County issue it will stay that way.
     
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    I believe this kind of thinking is a major problem in this country. You may not understand why someone would vote for Trump, and you may have good reason not to vote that way, but to think 74 million people and 40% of your own state are some kind of idiot is just toxic.
     
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    You may be right BTA. They can't all be idiots. Some probably have psychological issues or have been brain-washed by their religions. Heck, some are even controlling, greedy bastards who find Trumps words supportive of their agendas. Also, a lot of them are straight up gullible believing anything Trump says after all his proven lies. The idiots are the ones who might still have morals though.
     
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    Mostly those who vote are simply those who vote along party lines. That goes for both parties. It’s that 20% in the middle they need to sway.

    When Trump goes away in a month the next national vote will still be close. Trump was toxic but there is NO WAY the next RNC puts up a toxic candidate. It’ll be someone who had no connections to Trump. I’ll bet anyone my original BG CDs including the TotSC on that....
     
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    :lol: He won't, because he has no sense of humour. Also I have faith in the idea that he will not be not allowed to run in another election.
     
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    Illinois politics may seema little strange compared to some other States in how divided we can be, but it can be easily likened to Virginia and West Virginia before the split.
    Basically, -and there have been many jokes about actually doing this- (and at least once or twice they actually seriously contemplated it, but it didn't go far) we are divided into two separate States/Regions, Chicagoland and Downstate.
    Chicagoland is urban, Downstate is rural, and their needs are very different. Often their interests are as well. It causes a lot of the problems with gridlock in Springfield. What is good for Chicagoland is not always good for Downstate and vice versa due to very different lifestyles and different needs. The people also tend to vote quite differently a good deal of the time in the elections. Cook Country (where Chicago is and I'm on the fringe in the NW suburbs) tends to be strongly Democratic thanks to the Democratic machine in Chicago, while Downstate is often Republican or more liberal.
    The division is generally along geographic lines.
    However, this isn't the thread for an analysis of Illinois politics, and not only am I not an expert, but most of my facts are probably out of date. I'd have to do some research for details or I'd get most of them wrong due to bad memory.
     
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