Roleplaying the Iron Throne

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You know when you return to Candlekeep and you have the choice of either killing or not killing the leaders of the Iron Throne? Why is it considered evil to kill them? The first time I played through the game, it didn't even occur to me that Koveras was not what he appeared to be - which I admit was dumb - but I killed them and didn't consider it to be evil. I looked at it as whiping out a few warts on the ass of the sword coast. They were all evil men. Yet, even though you don't take a rep hit, everyone tells you that you shouldn't have done it if you kill them.

 

You may think/know that these are evil men but that would hardly give you the legal right to kill them. If anything, the lawful solution would be to present evidence to the guards so as to have the Iron Throne leaders arrested for their crimes. As far as anyone else is concerned you have just wiped out the leaders of a trade guild.

 

That would be the Lawful Good thing to do, but the Neutral or Chaotic Good thing to do is either threaten them to stop, then when they laugh at you challenge them to a fight. That way, if they accept the fight then you can, in clear conscience, smear them all over the place. If they refuse, then you know they are weak and you could easily find evidence because no one will stand in your way.

Of course, those aren't options in the game and since they die anyway you might as well waste them.

 

If one defines lawful as "legalistic to the point of being anal retentive" and chaotic as "unpredictable and uncontrollable to the point of lunacy" -- which I for one do not -- then you're left with this question: In a world whose moral philosophies are either good, evil, or neutral, how is it morally "good" to just go out and kill someone who is morally "evil" regardless of whether or not they have even killed anyone themselves...?

 

What? That's not what I said at all!

 

My comment wasn't directed at YOU, it was more of a generic, general question. Sorry about the mix-up.

 

Let's get pragmatic. Death of enemy = xp. I like xp therefore I kill them. O, you mean roleplay, that is roleplaying minus the DM. Anyway it doesn't matter because there are so many things that make no sense from a roleplaying point of view, such as DnD alignments. They are so fake.

 

Look at it this way: If you kill them it's your ecil Bhaal darkside gaining hold so it's going to turn you to evil. If you decide to not just run in there all blades (and other assorted weapons) waving and hacking then you're restraing your instincts to cause unnessary deaths. Thats probaly the way it's thought out. That and the games designed around the be nice and goody to get the most out of it.

 

In Candlekeep it's illegal to fight, let alone kill. This has been taught to you from childhood and if you're not evil, you're conciense will tell you to respect the customs of your former home. It's like not being allowed to put your feet on the table, only slightly more obvious, since killing people will get blood all over the carpet

 

Good point. Still, which will win out: your respect for the customs, or your hate for the evil people that sullied your home?

 

In my case this always end in "alittle" blood on the carpet. I mean, if you´re still going to be framed for killing them, you might just aswell do it

But out of a roleplaying perspective... Wait, no but, they have to die for what they have done. I mean, you think they have something to do with the murder of Gorion. Your beloved "father". I would´ve killed my fathers murderers, no matter how fine carpets they have in the library here in my town.

 

Times, they are changing. Old rules no longer apply. If they think in Candlekeep that it's OK to be host to bastards like this, it's their problem. And don't forget the place is full of dopplegangers. You're perfectly entitled to kill them, as you witnessed the evil they boss: slavery, murder... Besides, they are gross, and they strike first.
The authorities are sold out, it's no use calling the cops.
And why do you outfit all this gear if you don't use it?

 

I never kill them so I don´t know what happens if you do... But I don´t think it´s right to kill them. If I remember correctly they are basically unprotected in Candlekeep. It would have been different if it was self defense, that you have to defend yourself, but otherwise no. At that time they are just holding a meeting, and to everyone else they are just a trade guild.

 

I think everyone tells you it was evil to kill them because Sarevok lies about the reason you did it. They take him as an impartial witness to the events, and he claims you did it with murderous intent. The odd thing is that the other people on the same level of the library don't offer any statements in your defense, even if you only killed the baddies in self-defense.

And as far as them being defenseless, I can't agree. Those guys are pretty tough if you haven't beefed up before that point in the story. And besides, every time I kill them, it is self-defense. I just keep bugging them, since they won't give me a fair hearing and since I know they are plotting evil, then eventually they attack me.

 

I think you're perfectly justified in killing them, hell, they destroyed your life! They killed Gorion, and countless other people. They can be blamed for every screw up on the Sword Coast. Kill the bastards!

 

@Aikanaro

How positively vigilante like. What's next, are you going to detect evil in each place you go and kill all that are?

While they are evil, vile, murderers, you are not above the law. Like Thunder said:

Though one must do what one must do.

 

I think the best thing to do is butcher the Iron Throne lackys. But stopping there is foolish, stroll throught the keep and teach all that reside there what a child of Bhaal is capable of. If you are going to do the time, do the crime .

 

@Stonedtroll

Whoa! Take a breather man. If Aikanaro was a vigilante then you would be masochistically so.