Questions About Paladins

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i was playing with a cavalier pc and with keldorn in the party. the kit description of cavalier says that they are immune to fear, and inquisitors are immune to hold. but during my battle with mencar, the dwarf in the sewers (temple district). my cavalier was "panic" stricken, and keldorn was held and also "panic". is this a bug? or does anybody have a better explaination?

[ September 10, 2002, 23:38: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

 

Just to confirm, did they actually stop fighting (and did you lose control), or did they just get the Fear icon shown? I'm playing with a Cavalier, admittedly in ToB, and he shows the Fear icon when a Fear spell has been cast but is still controllable.

 

Just a note, Mencar Pebblecrusher is in Waukeen's Promenade.

As for the problem...yeah, there's a bug where Cavaliers & Inquistors will show the graphic/icon for it but won't actually happen.

 

Hey!! A filipino!!

Anyway, iirc, you will see the status effect but it won't affect you. Anyway, check if Extremist's patches can fix that problem...

 

Same goes to summoned fire elementals and many other creatures It shows the big ball over his head but is still moving and attacking under my control

 

keldorn was definitely held. i couldn't select him. the cavalier had a yellow ring and is selectable, he had "panic" in his small portrait as was in his information page. what's really bothering me is that i couldn't make him to cast his "remove fear".

deathmage, sorry if i got the wrong name. any way you know who i'm referring to.

 

Yeah, I know who you're referring to...Taunoc the Henchmen, Gallchoblah and stuff. Anyway, is your game patched?

 

Yes there is a bug that does this to Inquisitors I think but I've never seen a cavalier get even a fear Icon! Anyway I'll check with my friends and I'll see if their are any patches!

See ya in a bit....
Padeen, sword of Justice and Fury!!!

 

yup. i already had the patches since 6 months ago. mods, only the excap remover and bonus merchants, which were installed the same time as the patches.

 

It occurs to me that you might not have been able to select Keldorn because of the panic on him, not because he was held.

If he was selectable, he wasn't affected by panic. Were you still able to make him walk around and such?

 

sorry i got you guys a bit confused. with respect to keldorn's or the cavalier's multiple status is because of reloads.

keldorn was held, irregardless if he panic or not. he was just standing there motionless and taking hits. this is without firecam (more below). but with or without firecam he is supposed to be immune to hold right?

now the cavalier, there definitely is something wrong with him. as you said, if i can select him then he is not in the state of panic. i can live with the wrong display of panic icon or even the yellow circle, but being unable to cast remove fear, is another thing. as to whether i can control him, now this needs some more experiments because he was hacking one of those opponents and i only tried to cast remove fear (i was able to select the remove fear icon, but it was never cast, and i'm sure it wasn't disrupted either... tried it several times). but i'll try to make him hit another guy instead of the one he is currently hacking.

it is extremely hard to have keldorn held and my other party members panic or held. not to metion a cavalier is not immune to hold spell. so i also tried switching firecam (keldorn's armor) between keldorn and the cavalier. this is so that the cav would be immune to fear and hold, so i'm more or less sure he will still be in the heat of the battle fighting and not just standing. if keldorn is held, that's ok, my priest will cast a counter spell for that. but my problem is my priest is in panic state. so i need my cav to cast remove fear which would take away "panic" from my priest, keldorn (if panic), minsc, as well as the others. giving firecam to the cav was crucial because i have come to a point where 4 to 5 party members was either held or in panic state. but still not much help either, can't remove fear. keldorn was using his sword, while the cav was using lilarcor.

a.i. turned on or off have already been considered and performed too.

if things still doesn't improve, i'll would just have to replay or simply get another class.

[ September 11, 2002, 08:04: Message edited by: nior ]

 

Henchmen? LOL... IIRC it was Hatchetman, hence the reason why he was wielding some axe +2.

 

nior, I'm pretty sure that those guys use stun, not hold. Keldorn is not immune to stun. Also, in my experience, the remove fear ability of the cavalier does not work when in combat.

How? IIRC, Keldorn is the only person that can use that armor.

 

rastor,

not being able to cast the cavalier's remove fear in the heat of the battle is... a shocking news . i never knew that, wow, that simply downgrades the usfullness of that spell.

i can live with the "stun" idea, does stun have the same icon with held? you know the red and white "II" symbol. but i will try to confirm if it really was stun.

sorry to disappoint you but any of the paladin kits can wear firecam (i have done that already). i'm not sure with the paladin class because i have not tried that yet but i'm 95% sure he can. the description of firecam did not specifically said who aside from keldorn can wear it. it did however, hinted that keldorn is not the only one who can wear it. and i have been doing just that with my cavalier now.

 

Apparently Monks can wear Keldorn's Armour too if certain stats are high enough.

Also, I don't use Cernd much but he can wear the Armour that can be made from the Shadow Dragon scales! Wow! Sadly he can't wear the Firkraag Scale Armour though

 

With new patches they CANT(told this zilion times ). I have a shapeshifter and he cant wear ANY armor(shame actualy )

 

if you have TOB [snip].

[If he has ToB, he's posting in the wrong forum, like you. ToB spoiler removed.] -Tal

[ September 13, 2002, 20:16: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

IIRC, no. The stun symbol is similar to the one used for confusion (I think).

I sort of suspected this from your post but never knew. Thanks for the info!

 

Stun has a different symbol to held.

Its a similar effect, but sux ass because with power word stun, you dont get a save.

Reduces the value of "immune to hold" quite substantially doesnt it; the fact that you can be stunned anyway.