An irrelevant post on Sarevok

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Somehow I doubt that any good or even any evil party would ever take Sarevok.
good: Sarevok is evil
evil: Sarevok was the enemy in BG1 and evil party's are not famous for giving people a chance to redeem themselves.

My big question is this. considering the above why did they include Sarevok as an NPC? was it because they wanted to add extra NPC's and were too lazy or time restricted to think of anything else? or some other reason?

[ November 29, 2003, 22:08: Message edited by: Beren ]

 

SAREVOK IS COOL THAT IS THE ONLY REASON HE NEEDS AND THE ONLY REASON HE NEEDS TO BE THERE...well actually...well yeah i support what i just said

[dragoon169, please read the PM that I sent you] - Beren

[ November 29, 2003, 05:26: Message edited by: Beren ]

 

No, I think both of those are wrong. If you where good you would probably see it as a family memeber in need of help, and then evil, he is a tool to help you on your way to god hood, does it matter if he was your enemy before? Of course not, as long as he won't stab you in the back while you are asleep!

 

Rotku my opinions on this came from the fact that good or evil characters would realise that Sarevok could end up betraying you and end up stabbing you in back.

And maybe a good character might see him as a family member who needs help, but would also know that they are, or were only related because of the Bhaal taint, and Sarevok himself say's that his own essence left him when you beat him, so it is only a small part of your own soul keeping him alive.

Considering this fact what would be more important to a good character? helping some evil half psychotic monster who can barely be called a relative, AND killed the character foster father Gorion (from the beggining of the BG series) redeem himself, or would it be more likely that the NG or LG character would be more worried about keeping their friends and themselves safe by leaving Sarevok behind?

My bet is on the latter but I guess it's a matter of opinion more then anything else, but that's what I'd decide if it was for me.

As for the evil party I'd have to say I agree with you on that one

But I'm sure that there is something about all this I'm forgetting but right now I can't think of what it is.

 

Evil would easily take him. He's a powerful warrior who's just sworn an oath that's basically a geas to never betray you. Got fodder?

Good is the tricky one. Sarevok is defeated and poses no threat to you (you could easily wipe the floor with him). However he seems sincere in his willingness to join you and to play some part of this saga. Mayhap the PC can realise there is a chance to redeem this one.

 

That's a possibility, though what would be the odd's of anyone beliving Sarevok would tell the truth about such an oath?

It's easy for anyone to just say "in this place an oath has the power to work like a Geas" but to most people beliving that from a person like Sarevok who would sell his soul, (that's if he had one) to see your head on the wall and body on the floor to become a god, would be stupid at the very least if not completly insane.

But Pc isnt like most people. You could also say that if you saw everything your character saw, that there would be very little Incredulity or doubt in that persons mind

 

Actually Saravok can't kill you to become a god, well at least not anymore - no essence remember? I find Sarevok to be one of the more 'respectable' evil people. He's not sadistic ripping heads of kittens and stealing candy from babies. He just does what is needed to get the job done.
Even in Baldurs Gate Sarevok wasn't being sadistic when he killed Gorion - he gave the old man an option to hand over the PC or die. Sarevok knew Gorion would defend his ward if he didn't give his ward up so Sarevok HAD to kill him.

Besides, Sarevok no longer has an opposing goal to the player-character's. His goal is the player-character's goal or at least to reap the rewards from the PC achieving his or her goal. I would see no risk in taking Sarevok.

 

Sarevok is very cool as a character, plus he is an ex-Bhaal spawn.

I have never worked out why he is CE in alignment, as his character is much more LE because he is noble and tyranical, not just a crazed killer (well not all the time).

It just adds to the flavour of the game, as well. Even if you are good, he asks for your help then offers his help in return. You know what a fantastic fighter he is and there isn't really any better fighter in the game.

Most good people, try to see the good in others and in taking him with you, then maybe you could redeem him!!!!

 

I think the possibility to redeem Sarevok works for most good characters. After all he is your brother and if you can turn him over to the good side, wouldn´t that be good? Of course there is the fact that he murdered Gorion... But that is why the addition of Sarevok is good for roleplaying if you ask me.

As for an evil character, I think a reason would be the addition of a strong fighter. Sure he might betray you but you can make him swear an oath. And if he finds a way to break it, you can defeat him again.

 

Or he could stab you in the back

And Sarevok isnt your brother in ToB, he say's so himself

In BG1 he is a Bhaalspawn you kill him his essence goes back to Bhaal, and he's not a blood relative either, so therefore.

No essence+no maternial mother=no relation

You might argue that he does have a small amount of Bhaal essence from you to become alive again, but this is JUST enough to be mortal and for all the Bhaal essence that takes it might as well be nothing. We know that it is practicaly zilch because of the dialog option saying "That's odd I dont feel anything different" and blah blah blah.

 

You cant forget the oath. He swears it and he wont stab you in the back. Ever. It wont happen. Simple to understand right? You know what happens to some one who breaks a blood oath. Its called the blood war. And sucks for them.

 

A good character might look at it differently. A good character might see it as Gorion raised you as a good person, and took you out of the hands as evil, and that you should repay this debt by helping someone else. Even better if it is the same person that killed Gorion, it's just more fitting that way. And how does your character know that Sorvok is beound help?

 

Sarevok is the most leathal and fun ncp in tob imo

 

i suppose the game developers could have put some other NPC in the game, but ToB is short, and there would be less time to develop any sort of character for a brand new NPC

sarevok has a deep (very relevant) history that you already know, awesome soundset, plenty of party interaction, a kickass personality, wicked stats plus deathbringer assault, and *SPOILER* possibility of alignment change - having him in the party creates quite a stir, and makes for a more intriguing rpg experience

sarevok is also by far the most interesting and best fighter type npc - valygar is boring, minsc is a great personality but isn't a particularly good fighter, mazzy isn't a tank, jaheira complains, interferes and doesn't act like a true neutral, keldorn is gameplay unbalanced and a racist (viconia), everyone knows about anomen, and i just don't like korgan (maybe he's too one-dimensional)

sarevok is therefore my favourite NPC
period

 

Of course, we cannot forget the whole "had to pick one" speech by Gorion, can we? The wjhole "gee, that could've been me..." thing could easily influence the main character to help/use Sarevok.

My $ .02

 

well your character could be more than either just a simple pure good or evil character.If yours is one which simply seek a means to an end and being a very complex character,Sarevok would be an ideal companion because of his ridiculous fighting ability.IMHO he's far better than Minsc or Keldorn nad his deathbringer assault is very useful.

 

@ Bard:
Sarevok sure seems like Lawful Evil, but if he'd be that, you could safely accept his oath not to stab you in the back. When he is Chaotic, it adds some unpredictability to his character.

 

@ Tassadar
You can't really hold it against Keldorn if he's racist since the majority of the surface humans hate and fear Drow's and Viconia is evil otherwise I don't think Ke;dorn would care about colour or race.

 

The good character also has another reason to keep Sarevok with him. To keep an eye on him since everything he does now is your responsability since you revived him by giving a piece of your soul. (I assume you didn't use Imoen's since this is talking about a good character)