Why isn't there a 'good' dwarf in this game?

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Sure Korgan's fun and all, but what about a good party that wants a runt up front biting arse? Might as well be a fighter also or a fighter/theif, possibly a wizard slayer? (Nothing seems more logical than a dwarf wizard slayer) Or if you want another romance of a more comical design let him romance a female small race charname (dwarf, halfling, gnome). A dwarf-dwarf romance from the female point of view would be both classic and groundbreaking.
Moments of confusion (is that my beard or yours honey? Which one of you is the guy again?).

 

LMAO!

Seriously, aren't dwarves supposed to be grumpy? So a "good" dwarf just doesn't seem right. At best, neutral. And a romance? I'd rather not think about it. *shudder*

 

No reason why dwarves can't be good. Often they are good. The ones who leave the dwarven cities are often adventurers and are so because they don't get along with other dwarves. Just because someone is 'grumpy' doesn't mean they aren't good.

Besides there was a good dwarf NPC in BG I, he was a fighter/cleric. Can't remember his name though.

 

Yeslick is the good dwarf from BG1, though he came along fairly late (Cloakwood mines) so I rarely took him in the party.

 

SPOILER......................Evil Korgan....
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I heard on the board that Korgan's alignment will change if he hangs out with Mazzy long enough...like you have them both in your party together long enough.

 

Hmm, I'd doubt that though. Korgan seems the 'unredeemable' type to me. He just won't be able to grasp the concept of being good
Korgan "If I can't kill 'im how do I get the money off 'im?"
Mazzy "You don't want the money, therefore you don't have to kill him."
Korgan "But I DOES want the money."
Mazzy "Why do you want the money?"
Korgan "What kind of question is that? Money's great! We all need more money. Why do you think I'm here?"
Mazzy "But you don't need more money. You've got more than enough!"
Korgan "Can't ever have enough money."
Mazzy "But you're surviving just fine. You've got so much money you don't know how to spend it all."
Korgan "Ye' ain't a dwarf Mazzy, ye' wouldn't understand."
Mazzy "Aragh!"

 

@ Neeraj :

I'm a hc Korgan-fan and have never taken Mazzy along, this would be a good reason to recruit her on a next BG2-run. Do you remember the topic that mentioned this ? I'll do a search myself but i'd be very grateful if you could help

 

There were originally plans for Mazzy to be able to redeem Korgan in ToB, but the idea was scrapped. Icelus and company have it on their radar if they can get to Unfinished Business for ToB. So far though, I think they've only uncovered a solitary post from Gaider mentioning the idea in passing.

I've always thought the whole Mazzy-Korgan pseudoromance seemed out of character for both of them.

 

Tx for the info CamDawg ! I'll be patient and wait for UB for ToB then.

Viconia Romance SPOILER, somewhat off topic
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It may be well out of character for Korgan and Mazzy, but still : the best experience i had with ToB was when my PC was romancing Viccy and she changed her alignment to Neutral However, i had no prior knowledge of the possibility of such a change, so with Korgan it wouldn't be the same pleasant surprise.

 

Like Abomination said Korgan said dwarves like money. That is why dwarves aren't good. They are greedy as hell. Even the most holy lawful good dwarf who gets a King's tear or a Rogue stone in his sight will turn evil.

 

No they 'can' be good damnit! Dwarves like to amass gold, thats just because of their society. They enjoy things that stand the test of time, gold doesn't rust so they love it because it's always valuable, it's useful and you can craft and shape it to your liking.
Read R.A. Salvatore and tell me that Bruenor Battlehammer and his clan are 'not' good.
He might be gruff, downright nasty and unforgiving in a fight but he loves his friends and would die for them.

 

Bruenor is already filthy rich. As a young beardless dwarf-boy he sure was ambitious and just like any other dwarf would be. Why else do you think he would have gone searching his grandfather's halls? Salvatore always makes this kind of characters, for example Drizzt; Is he like any other drow? What about Wulfgar? You can't use Salvatore's characters as an example of what ordinary characters should be.

 

I wouldn't call the baldur's gate characters quite ordinary to be honest.

Take Haer'Dalis, or viconia, or yoshimo, or irenicus, bodhi, etc etc.

None of these characters are ordinary.

Define an ordinary character if you would.

I think they haven't implemented a good dwarf in BGII because the good dwarf in BGI wasn't really interesting in my opinion.

 

Apeman, Ordinary as in all D&D games/books. Plain stereotypes.

EDIT: And you can get Yeslick in Baldur's Gate II with right mod.

 

Accodring to PnP Dwarves are, overall as a society, Lawful good -- they amass wealth because artisanship is a huge part of their cultures -- they like things not just because they are expensive, but because of the craftsmanship involved. Of course, there are exceptions in every society, of which Korgan is obviously one, and a PC dwarf could be anything.

I liked Yeslick, though his dialogue was a little pathetic. I would have liked to have him available for BG2 -- him using Crom with some other clerical buffs would have been sweet.

 

Yeah, the mod is The Darkest Day - just about the wrongest mod there is. Avoid it like the clap.

However, if you want to recreate Yeslick (or make your own good dwarf NPC), just download Yeslick's voice set from SP's mod section, and create him in a multi-player game. You won't get any extra quests or dialogue, but it'll still make for a cool character.

 

@Mayfairy I was arguing that a Dwarf 'can' be good. You implied dwarves could not be good, full stop. All I had to do was provide an example of a good dwarf. Realise that the Battlehammer clan is basically your average clan when it comes to social and community values.

And don't bash Salvatore, he's one of the best Forgotten Realms authors out there. Self-thinking 'hardcore D&D players' dislike him because 'non-hardcore D&D players' like him. More an attitude of arrogance than his actual writing style for reasons why people dislike him. And if you dislike him because of an arrogant view you're only going to look for his failings and not mention his sucesses.

 

Just as a note, my favorite character to play in BGI was a neutral good dwarven fighter. I see no reason why a dwarf couldn't be good. Greedy isn't the same as evil, and gruff certainly isn't the same as evil. Dwarves are gruff by nature - that's why they get a penalty to their charisma roll, and cannot have a charisma above 16.

 

@ Abomination:
I didn't say I don't like Salvatore. Actually I know only two D&D writers that are better (in my opinion). I don't really think that dwarves are evil, I just had to say something to keep conversation going. Those evil dwarves are referred as Duergar.

 

Indeed Duergar are an evil race, but not all Duergar are evil either. Rules like this always have exceptions, except possibly for those from the demonic planes in which all the residents are evil.

I find the NPC selection in BG:II to be very limited racially. There should be more elves, half-elves, gnomes, dwarves, halfings and why not a half-orc NPC (with a good alignment, searching for a way to throw off any discrimination incurred by being half an evil race).