Modifying characters

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I wish there wasnt this option, too many people can mofify character attributes to 18 and then think dragons are easy...

 

if you want to keep your rolls then do it

 

The point is, 18-00 is supposed to be the strongest that any human can be ever... so why does every party have a character with 18-00 strength...

They should remove this option and make good rolls count!

 

What do you mean by modifying your character? You can only choose your stats once, and then you have to play the whole game through. I'm not sure about how the 2nd edition rules are on this point(long time ago I made a character in PnP), but I would assume they allowed you to withdraw/add points from/to different stats.

 

They shouldnt let you do it at all, Im talking about in the character creation stage...

 

Kingius if I undersand well, you would like to have only number of possible characters to choose at the beginning.

I.e. fighter with STR 16 but CON 10, or fighter with STR 15 but CON 11, or fighter with both STR and CON 13.

Something like unchangeable starting stats of kits in Diablo I suppose.


But then the game would lose the thrill when you create your character, don't you think? Also there will be too many of us with the same hero. That means - BOREDORM.

The only thing they could and should have done is making damned hard to cheat stats. Now everyone is using some SK util to pump up his hero to all stats 25. And then they say BG2 is easy. Where's enjoyment in that? Powergamers, my ass.

 

eh, doesn't hurt my game when they do it.

Second ed. listed at least 6 different character generation methods.

I like point swapping, because I like characters with wildly different stats. I mean, what fun is a guy who is 9-13 in all stats? (which is what you ussualy get from straight 3 dice un-modofied rolls)

 

No I dont mean that, I mean what you roll (or rerollx1000) is what you get.. so you cant deduct points from stats to add to others...

 

This descussion will go on and on. In PnP most players I have Dungeon-mastered were happy to have +15 in stats. With computer RPG this has been raised to having at least 18 in some stats. If You show a character with two or three 18-abilities to a PnP roleplayer of the 90'ties he would probably laugh at it. We take it as natural now.

Thats the old days. and as Jester said. It doesn't ruin HIS game, what other do. Let people do what they want.



[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

Hey man Im not stopping him... just wish the designers would remove that option and stop creating encounters for super-heroes..

 

It's your game, play it however you want to.

Why would the developers want to force unneeded limitations on the player? If you want to play the first roll, then play it. If you want to roll until you get numbers that you want (which is what I did), then do it. This accomodates a wider audience.

It would be pointless to:
* limit the number of rolls
* set a ceiling on the total number of points
* not allowing the user to move points around

Because Shadow Keeper allows you to do whatever you want.

 

I think that the game is geared to high stat parties and you are pretty much forced to do it... which is why the option(lol) should be removed and the designers make encounters more balanced...

 

You are set in your beliefs and are not willing to try to understand the viewpoints of others.
I understand that you don't like the feature, so don't use it.

Bioware is trying to sell software. They sell more if the game is flexible and enjoyable.

They could have done what you are saying. But why? Will they sell more software or less software? My guess is less. I don't like games that place arbitrary limitations, or make me jump through hoops.

If the had done what you suggest, the following would happen (for most gamers):

1. Start new game.
2. Roll character.
3. Hate sucky roll.
4. Exit.
5. Go to 1.

Sound like fun to you? I doesn't to me.

Besides, Bioware cannot stop people from writing character editors (like Shadow Keeper).

 

Thats the problem in a nutshell. isnt it. The game is meant for powerplaying?
I really don't think superstats are essential. I think a good and solid attack strategy is worth more than having 18-00 in strenght instead of 16 etc.
But thats my opnion. But I see no reason to limit the stats-rolling. As Jack-Funk said, The game is meant to please a wide audience

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

Well put Nobleman.

You can have 18 in all stats for all characters and Kangaxx will still kick your ass if you just go in swinging.

 

Yes I see what you are saying, but it doesnt feel right to have a party of characters with super strengths, its abusing the system..

The game encourages cheating.

 

um, it's not cheating to reroll if the game lets you reroll...

 

Yes keep rerolling and it its cheating... In PnP. But this isn't PnP is it? This is a computergame. And it is legal to reroll and modify.

 

If it makes you feel any better just remember that BG is a story about legendary heros and the child of a god. Many heros of legend have been particularly strong or quick or clever etc. Hercules, Conan, Achillies, etc (God Superman is all but indestructable).

OK I'm not suggesting that that approach is for everyone. Also many heros are more heroric by virtue of being normal people doing incredible deeds. But you can take this approach too far. I seem to remember someone pointing out to Kasio when he wanted more realism; if the game was completely realistic we would role a 1000 sided dice and, if we scored higher than 1, we would be allowed to go on an adventure.

Personally, I think the game has got it right. You role the dice then, if you want to, you accept the score. If you don't want to accept it you can edit it or re-roll, whatever makes you happy. One thing I would prefer to see though (in all role playing games) is to let you roll the dice first then decide on your race and class. In that way your career reflects your natural ability. That seems more realistic to me and I would be happy to accept poor dice rolls in those circumstance.

Oh well as long as everyone enjoys playing it there is no problem.

 

The stats doesn't really matter that much anyway, after you completed the game a couple of times, I think you could have the crappiest charachter around and still complete the game, because you know what to come.
It might matter the first time through, but then, it's really only if your soloing, if you have a group, just use different tactics, boost with potions etc. and it will be just the same, just more micromanagement