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Hi, I have just started IW2 - the new races, classes, and multi-classing makes it look like a lot of fun to build a party. In IW1, I went through with a party of 6 and a party of 3. I was amazed how much easier the game was with a party of 3.

In this game, I am starting with a party of 6, because I have read that a smaller party gets exp point penalties when the party gets strong early.

1. Human Paladin_3 Sorceror_x
role: armoured bombardier
Str 16
Dex 18
Con 18
Int 3
Wis 3
Cha 18
Why - 3 levels of paladin to get saves, remove disease, and have a tank in the early fighting when spell casting is still weak. Human because int is low, so I get added skill points (but maybe Aasimir is better?)

2. Tiefling Rogue_2 Wizard_x
role: thief, bombardier, storehouse of knowledge
Str 16
Dex 20
Con 18
Int 20
Wis 3
Cha 1
Why - Tiefling is great for rogue/wiz with 20's in int and dex, and 2 levels of rogue gets evasion

3. ShieldDwarf Fighter_4, Silverstar of Seleune_x
role: buffer, healer, tank
Str 18
Dex 16
Con 20
Int 3
Wis 18
Cha 1
Why - Seleune for roleplay reasons, and fighter4, since he is one of my main tanks, and can use the extra feats and weapon specialization.

4. WildElf Monk_x
role: tank, boss enemy remover, bait
Str 16
Dex 20
Con 18
Int 1
Wis 18
Cha 3
Why - WildElf over dwarf was a hard one - since I want him to be bait, I thought the extra dex, AC, and reflex saving throws would be worth more than the extra con and HP, but not sure - the +2 bonus to spell effects for dwarfs is worth a lot too...

5. Human Ranger_1, Monk_1, Druid_x
role: tank, backup healer and caster
Str 18
Dex 16
Con 18
Int 3
Wis 18
Cha 3
Why - Ranger for two handed fighting, monk for wis bonus to armour class when not wearing armour or shapeshifted, druid for healing/casting/buffing

6. Drow Bard_11, Sorceror_19
role: Communicator, buffer, backup spellcaster and healer
Str 10
Dex 18
Con 10
Int 18
Wis 4
Cha 20
Why - Drow seems to have the best abilities for bard/sorc. This char will have exp penalty after level 23, but I am not too worried about that now.

 

definately make the pally an aasimar

deep gnomes make the best monks too...

 

One less pally level.

Other than that, fackin laverlee.

 

One more vote for an aasimar paladin, but with a twist--Paladin of Helm_x+fighter_4.

Why? You'll need more than one uber-tank in the later levels, and it's nice to be able to relieve your cleric if he has to do something other than swing an axe during a fight.

Also, I take it you plan on playing all the way up to HoF (by looking at your drow's levels). If not, keep in mind that with a 6-man party, you'll probably hit lvl 16-18 at the end of the regular game.

 

Thanks for the quick replies. I actually do have 2 questions. First of all, I don't have any real tanks - that is a (almost) pure fighter type.

Instead I have a cleric with 4 levels of fighter, a druid with a mixin of ranger and monk, and a pure monk.

Do I have enough tanking, or do I need to replace someone with a mostly pure tank?

Also, why is a deep gnome a better monk than shieldDwarf, halfOrc, or wildElf?

I figure the important abilities for a monk are wis, dex, con, str. With any of dwarf, orc, or elf, I can get to 18 in all 4, or get to 20 in one, 18 in two, and 16 in the last.

With deep gnome, I can get to 20 in wis and dex, getting 1 extra AC over my wildElf monk, but then I only have 30 points for the other two abilities - 16, 14 or 18, 12. Presuming the important thing is to make sure I survive, I would have to go 18 con and 12 str, leaving my main tank with really low strength.

Basically, I have 2 less ability points for my important ability scores, and am also penalized ECL3. Is the extra spell resistance of a deep gnome worth all that, when I get nice spell resistance anyway as a monk, and have great saving throws?

As for HOF, I might play that - depends on how I enjoy the regular game, and then HOF after - but I'll plan for it for now

 

ECL's are actually a boon in a lot of ways, as the average party level is calculated with that character's actual level, rather than his ECL, which means the game thinks your monk is 3 levels weaker.

 

also, the special abilities of the deep gnome make it really worth it (mirror image and blur iirc).

1. paladin/sorcerer: cant give positive advice here as this build is strange to me. i dont see any relation but sharing CHA as prime attribute... a sorcerer has more spells than a plane wizard and thus i always use them for offensive magic and not as a beef-me-up-caster. if you build it just for the paladin-boni, i think you lost some crucial lvls as sorcerer if you plan to play HOF.

2. thats a good idea. but if you plan to play HOF i think it would be better to only have one rogue lvl. oh and of course this build would be slightly better as drow ...

3. yep, good one. if you want to play HOF dont forget to skill maximized attacks (and thus pick concentration... which means you have to cross-lvl and not pick 4 fighter lvls from the start).

4. a deep gnome is better, and i remember why now .. he gets +2dex and +2 wis, thus having 1 more ac point and wis is prime attribute for monks.

5. this one i never tried out but picking human is right here. deep gnome would suffer too much from tripleclassing.

6. nice one! bard is the way . you could dualclass to a wizardclass if you pick male drow without penalty. this would be your second wizard so i'd recommend to pick 2 opposing schools, i dont think you would have too much scroll problems.


have fun

 

And again correct me if I'm wrong, but don't deep gnomes get +4 to AC (generic). That's some boost. Not to mention the Mirror Image, Blur ability.

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Oh and btw did you try solo on IWD? If you think 3 man party is fast...try solo. I recommend gnome fighter/illusionist. Get the Helm of Trusted Defender and once you find Haste (Vale of Shadows) the game becomes much, much faster.

 

1. Human Paladin_3 Sorceror_x
So you have choosen the immunities over a spell each of L3, L5 and L7. An Aasimar gets +1DC to spells and +1 to saves due to 20Cha. However Human gets 32 extra skill points. Id say stay Human.

2. Tiefling Rogue_2 Wizard_x
Make this a male Drow. MR beats minor elemental resistance any time. Plus you are now free to add any other classes if you find the need for mix-in.

3. ShieldDwarf Fighter_4, Silverstar of Seleune_x
This could be female Drow. However you will be limited to 16Con.

4. WildElf Monk_x
See post in other topic.
If you want to give him insane AC then give him a single Rouge level so you can use a certain +3(in HoF) generic AC item. Of course this can be delayed till you actually have bought the item.

5. Human Ranger_1, Monk_1, Druid_x
Are you sure?

Drow Bard_11, Sorceror_19
Make this one Human. Why invite XP penalties when you needn't.

 

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that you have your WIS set to 3 on some of your characters. This is bad in most cases because your will saves will be low thus making your members easily charmed.

I would change to Aasimir, raise WIS by reducing your other stats.

Tiefling is good choice, I might have gone with male Drow. I would also lower STR & CON and raise WIS. Give him small blades and Weapon Finesse.

Sounds ok to me.

I would change him/her over to a Deep Gnome, the benefits the deep gnome get are a good fit for Monks. I have one in my party of three and I love sending him into a large frey and then dropping a fireball on him to eliminate his surrounding baddies while he evades the effect.

Sounds ok to me.

I'm not a fan of the Bard, but that's just me. I would drop CHA by 6 and add it to WIS. Also, need to pick a different race or you'll face xp penalties.

 

If you're using a Bard/Sorceror, don't drop the CHA, you'll need it for casting levels, as it stands that character's stats are pretty good, of course though, change it to a human. Just make sure you have another character ready to dispell magic on that character if he gets charmed.