The best character!

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THE BEST CHARACTER BUILD FOR IWD2!
I welcome any comments about my BEST character build.

I got upto mid chap3(HoF) with only my sorceress. Yes, you are right. I didn't start HoF with 1lvl sorc, but I started with 13lvl with just ****ty robe and a ring. After I got upto begginning of chap 3, I started to create a lot of other classes and tested if they could survive HoF by itself. The answer was no and yes. Some could survive but some couldn't. However, it would took soooo long time to just finish Prologue unlike my lvl13 sorc did (she and her minions bashed goblins so fast )

so here I am daring many Non-Magic-users. I am so confident that there is no stronger charicter than 1pala/29sorc. If there is any, it would be combination between fighter and sorc(mage) which means it doesn't count

1) Mirror Image is sooo damn good that mage is overpowered in IWD2.
In BG series, Mirror Image could only block physical damage. If you had MI, you could still get damaged by magics like Horrid wrilting, Fireball, etc. In IWD2, you will not get even scrached by those. Only one of the mirrors will disappear!!!

2) Summon monster/skeleton magic makes almost your fighter or "tank" useless. No need for explaination.

3) Improved Invisiblity magic has a bug.
You all know this.

4) PowerwordBlind magic rocks
NO SAVE! Blinded Enermies just stand there doing basically **NOTHING**!!

5) Banshee+Malison(+Spell penetration+Spell Con in Necromancy) rocks in HoF.

6) Has superb saving throw when combined with paladin (there is absolutely no worries for confusion and all that)

7) can have good intimidate (& all talking skills) has knock spell and traps won't work b/c of MI.

8) has monakeen's sword (or something - the green thing) that can be used as a long range weap. (+ excutioner's eye adds Sorc almost unstopable)

9) VERY VERY strangely sorcs also get more hit rates as they lvl up! In BG series, magician could only get 2 hit's per round. Now, there is absolutely no reason to choose fighter cuz max hit per round is only 5, and Sorc can easily have 4 hit per round!

so...who dares to challenge me and say Sorc isn't the best character in this game?



[EDIT - Please read this board's rules. The first one says "do not use all caps in the title".] - Ex

[ December 19, 2002, 20:11: Message edited by: Extremist ]

 

I'm going to have to stick up for my personal favorite character, the ever faithful Druid/Fighter, with maybe a few Wizard levels thrown in. This is (in my experience) a very versatile character. You've got fighting abilities from the fighter, healing and some offensive spells from the druid, and like I said, a few mage or sorceror levels if you want some more magic, whether offensive or defensive. Please note, I'm not claiming that this character is the best at combat or magic, but I do feel that it's the character most suited for going alone.

 

I'll have to agree and disagree, the sorcerer is very powerful, although if scrolls of all levels are readily available, then a wizard (specialized in a school, doesn't matter which, evoker or conjurer for offence, diviner or enchanter for defence) is much much better. Also, if you're just talking about walking through a town or forest and running into characters, a rogue10/figter20, or rogue3/ranger4/fighter23 could kick your butt. Sneak up behind you without you noticing as you're strolling, backstab ya, then annihilate you in a few rounds with dual weilding, you'll get hit every attack, so 6 attacks in a round, no way to cast a spell even with a real high concentration, and even if you get one off, what exactly are you gonna cast, the only chance you have is enchantement, but with the loads of feats the fighter gets this is unlikely. So it just depends on the situation, if its a surprise meeting, i'd give the edge to the rogue/fighter, otherwise the sorcerer always wins (or wizard) with preperation. Also, a level 30 druid could give you a run for your money, her offencive spells are just as powerful as wizard spells, and the summons are crazy (protection from evil, then summon elemental legion or natures animals IX), I guess it all depends on what spells you choose.

Furthermore, a level 30 barb (or 4fighter/26barb) could be very difficult especially if he/she used his feats to improve all his saving throws. 500 hit points or more and resistances will make this dude very hard to beat. All in all, I think the game is very balanced, think about how each character would do completely naked one on one against another (the monk has the advantage here of course, so we can leave him out). That reminds me, how about a level 30 monk? serious hand to hand damage, no way to hit him with any enchantements, no way to hit him with area spells due to improved evasion, this would be a tough cookie.

 

The best character is me.

I think it all falls down to playing style. Depends on whoever controls the character it will gives you different result.

 

I like my Tiefling Barbarian - lvl 28 - she rocks with haste and improved invis! I mean, who can stand up to the force of a speedy, invisible wielder of a greatsword +5?

 

Teekc raises a good point. But, I started a normal game with a mage. At level four, I started putting in Battleguard of Tempus levels. Battleguard levels b/c they get the 2 levels of proficiency with axe and also get some decent domanin spells. Also, my moon elven monk is awesome as well. She kicks butt, the only enemy she has trouble with(and the whole party does) is Iyachtu Xvim. I gotta go back and try to beat him some more. Anyways, she rules. I don't even bother with quivering palm or stunning attack, they don;t work very well against monsters anymore. But with shield ring, her AC is like 37 and her BAB is like high, her one attack is +29, which is not bad either.

 

@Popbuggy:
How about a Drow, 1Monk/1Pal/28Sorc ? Bet you she's got better AC, better evasion, and better spell resistance than yours...

[ December 20, 2002, 06:20: Message edited by: Quint ]

 

There's no question that popbuggy is right in that Sorcerer is the most powerful class in IWD2.
Setting up situations when a Fighter/Rogue, or whatever, can catch the Sorcerer unaware is total BS.

Naturally individual playing style isn't relevant either. If it were you could argue that a Ranger is the best character, because that's the only character you can play well. The question isn't which character suits you best, but which character is the best.

@Quint
That'd be a a Drow, 1Monk/1Pal/26Sorc.

 

IMHO, best character is a deep gnome monk. Think about it: He has high AC, spell resistance, evasion, high saving throws, 5 attacks per round, 1d20 damage and useful special abilities.
Also find a way to cast İmp. İnvisibility if you can and you will be unstoppable.

Also, I think I can reach lvl 30 with a drow or like. So it should be 1/1/28sorc

 

Oh! I didn't know they had implemented it so that a character can reach level 30 even when being ECL.

I think max level should have been based on Effective Character Level. In any case they could have been clearer about this in the manual.

 

Yep, any race can reach level 30. We talked about it already here. Must've been during your tea break.

 

Actually sorcs don't even need AC(I keep gonna calling it that) or whatever it called in 3rd. As all of you know AC is useless in HoF mode. so..1 lvl monk, in my opinion, is quite useless, but Drows are very powerful. Yup, I have played HoF with Moonelf but then I switched my Moonelf(she reached LvL30 so it was no fun) with LvL 15 Darkelf in Chap3. The reason why I selected Moonelf was to play Normal game in full party. Everyone would agree that Moonelf will do better job in normal-full-party game.
AND....most of mages will use stoneskin+mi+mind shield(or something) right after they rest, since the duration is soooo long, and they would have to cast it anyway later~ ie) cannot backstabb

 

Your posts are "messy" making them difficult to read, popbuggy. Just a tip.

"The best character" is too ambiguous.
When making such a statement it's important to give more information. Is it by level 30, by end of Normal mode or is it an average of the entire game?

AC is not relevant in HoF. Neither is Evasion if you can use Mirror Image, so I agree that one level of Monk is not the best choice once your character is level 30.
OTOH, Spell Resistance (high level monks, drow, svirfneblin etc) and Saving throws are always important.

 

I put up my level 20 monk against my mage, and needless to say, it was no contest the first time, but that is due to the failed saving throw of the monk against disintigrate. He got hit, still went forward, hit the mage 3 times for 45 points, then just dissapeared, lol.. But that was just luck, went at it again, this time I prepared the mage with mirror image and some armour spells, and the monk stayed away with his crossbow, every attack of the bolt hit, and the mage was toast in 3 rounds, she got horrid wilting off this time since he was far away and still lost. I think its just a matter of how you play an encounter, and there is no way to play it fair when you control both characters.

btw, you cannot expect a mage to have everything cast on her already when the battle starts, all too often it is unexpected. Even if she does have armour spells all the time, or protection scrolls, a lot of times it would not be enough against a brute if she's just gonna stand there toe to toe and cast spells. If a mage can cast her spells in advance, I guess my barbarian can drink 20 potions, 1 for everything..

 

OMG! Not another post pitting two characters in a fight against each other!

Please understand that such a "contest" has no relevance on which character is the best in the game!

 

I think everyone skipped right over a valid point by Anakha; A Svirfneblin monk at level 30 would have an ungodly AC, damage reduction of 20/+1, magic resistance of 81, is dealing 1d20+ 1d10 damage, and has numerous special abilities that make it VERY powerful.

 

yeah only character who can stand a chance against mage/sorc is a deepgnome monk. They will put up a good fight and no one really not sure who is better. However, playing solo sorc in HoF mode, it is a lot easier than solo monk. and sorry my post isn't convincing that much. I had to eat dinner soon, so I didn't have much time to write.

[ December 22, 2002, 03:37: Message edited by: popbuggy ]