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Hey guys I'm trying to make a four person party, but I need ideas on what my 4th character should be. Here's the troupe so far:

Aasimaar Pally of Mystra, later to be multiclassed into wizard, not sure what specialization though.

STR 14
DEX 10
CON 12
INT 16
WIS 14
CHA 14

Feats: Combat Casting

Human Morninglord of Lathander x/ fighter 4

STR 16
DEX 13
CON 16
INT 3
WIS 16
CHA 12

Feats: Combat Casting, level 2 proficiency in mace

Human Transmuter

STR 10
DEX 16
CON 14
INT 18
WIS 4
CHA 14

Feats: Subvocal Casting, Courteous Magocracy

This is, obviously, supposed to be an all-caster party. Don't know though if the last member should maybe be a another pure elven wizard, svirfneblin thief/illusionist, or monk of the Dark Moon/sorcerer. Any help an the party is appreciated.

 

Your party is missing a scout. The 2 other characters you have would be decent scout-mages but adding another Wizard would stretch your scroll selection thin and even though you don't seem to be roleplaying a LE monk/sorcerer is odd in a good party.

You are covered in the spell department. So why not take a scout class (ranger, thief, monk) and mix it with a non-wizzard spellcaster (druid, bard, sorcerer) to make an intresting spellcaster. This could be a fun character to play.

If your feeling nutty, how about this:

 

For real men it's diviner, but some people prefer a school that allows them to conjure something to hide behind.

Only if you're really going to cast spells while being hit.

Nnnnooooo..... You're better off with +4 cleric levels. One or two spell ranks up, more potent buffs, more healing etc. My morninglord in a a party of six had exactly 0 (zero) combat feats. Fought in the frontline, by the way. Double focus evoc, double penetration, spirit of flame. Aka London Steak House. If you really want a fighter/cleric, Tempus with axe is better suited.

By all that's uber, this feat is useless! Unless you're both a talker and a spellcraft-using caster, and also have too many feats to care about. Fighter/wizards could. Not this guy, though, I believe. Focuses, penetration and elemental feats, that's the way to go for casters.

 

1. If you don't mind the paladin's ability to open up opposition schools, transmuter. If you do consider it cheating, enchanter/conjurer, unless I mistook your intent, and this character isn't a melee oriented wizard. You are going to sorely miss ghost armor if he is intended for melee.

2. I hope you are planning to take those fighter levels way later in the game, because they set a cleric back a lot.

3. Consider switching some cha and con into dex for your cleric. With a high level DUHM and a light armor (or divine shell, or spirit armor), you can actually get a decent AC with the character... although not having access to expertise due to the abysmal int is going to hurt you if you choose a high AC build.

4. If you are going the melee route, a druid, as recommended by the JUPP, is a nice choice. You don't have to make that build, but barkskin would be a welcome addition to your spell arsenal.

 

Yeah, Courteous Magocracy is pretty useless. I wouldn't bother with it. And there's no way you'll find enough scrolls to support three wizards so maybe throw in a sorcerer as 'heavy artillery'.

 

I didn't for a single moment

Shield spell, level 1, was enough for armour boost. Providing armour (not shield!) type of bonus, it stacked with e.g. great shields +2. And voila, +11 at a cheap cost. Perhaps +2 from a ring too, or some cloak of displacement. No problem. Some people use mage armour, but it's only +4 and armour type of AC bonus.

 

I'd throw away one mage and put in a sorcerer, I would also add a monk/rogue. But thats just me.

 

A propos, there's an ideal way of getting rid of scrolls need and still having all spells you need: two sorcerers

 

1) two duel classers?? that'll be like 4 characters plus the other two, and if the 4ths a duel classer? 7 member party.

What i suggest you do....

4th shouldn't be anyone with a level penalty, it will take you eons to level with the party you already have.
Dont multi your pally till lvl 8 so he can get the fiendslayer ability, very useful endgame...
Give your pally 16 str and 16 char, its better, then give him 14 con(to be updated) and 16 int...the wisdom is not really nessarcery for a pally of mystra, since you will be a mage....
Dont specialize your wizards, no matter how bad the lost class looks you will later say " oml if only he had had that spell".....take your basic average go wizard or a bard, their songs offer many great bonusess and they get some nice healing spells.
If your gonna take a cleric i advice you take a drow cleric...their very effective, and with the high wisdom that they can get your cleric will be very effective early on...
The fourth member should be a rogue, without him you will find it hard to open many chests or doors, and many traps can cause quite the shock, so its useful to have one. also sneak attack can be very nice against early on bosess such as the half dragon lady(names escaping me) who can hack you too bits, but get her running after a nice backstabb and shell be weakened.

 

Shield (+7 armor)
Large shield +2 (+4 shield)
Ghost Armor (+5 deflection)
Total: 16 AC, which is a significantly higher bonus than 11. Ring of Protection +3 won't come until the Severed Hand. At best, you have +2 deflection from Protection from Evil or Phaen's Robe of Rags. Even then, you are 3 AC behind, still a significant number.

 

Why are you two arguing (chevalier & Hojo)? You both are right and wrong!

Diviner is best class for a paladin. IMHO

Ghost Armor is a awesome spell. But! it provides +5 deflection bonus and not +5 armor bonus. (Spirt armor provide +6 armor bonus & 3 reflex saves but is necrmancy)

I believe Ghost armor can be cast by another caster. So as long as all of your mages aren't Diviners, you'll be fine. (If I'm wrong, flame the manual. Still would use divine)


I am one of the 'some' that uses mage armor. But I Cast it from mage armor ring (any class can use it, spell last for 1 hour, bought in targos; great for monk solo). Cast Mage armor if you are expecting battle soon, cast shield right before battle. It keeps you from taking a big hit in ac when shield runs out.

<edit> I have to learn to type faster, some of what I have said was posed by Hojo. 45 minutes ago!!! oh well

[ February 05, 2004, 22:23: Message edited by: Nameless One ]

 

I remember an item with shield to cast once per day.

 

My opinion make one strong character and scratch the other three. Solo games rule! But to stick to the topic, I STRONGLY suggest you make a dwarven or half orc barbarian with the highest possible strenght and constitution. Example: STR:20 DEX:14 CON:18 INT: 6 and so on... Oh yes and if you do make this awesome character be sure and put points towards two handed axe or sword, youll do some massive damage and there are some great weapons out there!

 

There is a Ring of Shield, which is two casts of Shield/day. I don't think there is a Ring of Ghost Armor or Ring of Spirit Armor, though.

 

Orc Barbarian2/Fighter1
Shield Dwarf Battleguard5/Fighter1
Strongheart/Lightfoot halfling Fighter/Rogue(diverse)
Drow Sorcerer (full time)
__________
My next party didn't difer much from the previous one:
Aasimar Monk (full time)
Aasimar Painbearer of Ilmater5/Fighter1
Tiefling Fighter/Thief (diverse)
Aasimar Sorcerer (full time)

 

There's a reason why I don't use Ghost Armour. That's because it's Ghost Armour, Necromancy.

 

Except Ghost Armor is conjuration, and it's just a name. The description has nothing to do with abusing spirits or the negative energy plane.