Pink Dragon Disciples of the World Unite!

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I have had some time to think about this discussion during the weekend (yep, my life is that boring... ) and I think we overlooked an important fact. The majority here agrees that Tal's pseudo dragon avatar was indeed pink, and that the current one has a pinkish hue.

Wouldn't it be possible that Taluntain himself is colourblind, and oblivious of his own pinkness? I mean, come on, have you looked at the mismatch of colours of his previous avatar's outfit?

 

@ Colthrun: I don't see any pinkish hue on his current avatar

 

You must not use the eyes of the body, Grasshopper, but those of the mind.

 

Curiously, I looked up 'color-blind' in Merriam-Webster and found the following as the first definition of the word:

I know it maybe hard to swallow, but Fel's 'rules lawyer' point-making is starting to sound promising. Would it be (bad pun alert!) conceiveable for a red and white dragon to have a hatchling together?

 

You now waht, I've actually thought about that possibility myself... It would seem more logical than pithril(tm) anyways.

 

Hmmmm - interbreeding good question.

MM3.5 unforturnately doesn't say much on draconic society apart from that even fellow metallic or chromatic breeds don't interract much. I'm gonna go see if I can find anything like the 'draconomicon' s/c book that a friend had back in 2e...

 

I really can't see why we should be forced to follow the excact word of the manuals! I mean, they're mere guidelines, nothing more.

 

I still dont see why you guys are wrinkling your noses at pithril... and whats so illogical about it anyway? Im mean we have dragons that are so massive that they shouldnt be flying, but yet they are...

 

Arh, but they flow only by the forces of magic! Magic is quite logical, I assure you

To tell the truth, nothing really. I'm just tired of all that 'metallic-dragon' crap. All I want is a pink dragon, with a cone of cottoncandy and a SPAM attack. And I don't give a flying sh** if you choose to call it a gem, metal, or even a Oak dragon. Youst as long as it has the above mentioned abilities

 

Dragons aren't as dense (weight-wise) as they look. They prefer soaring off cliffs and other high places to catch the up drafts; like most birds.

As for this metal crap, it's confusing the issue. Nothing says our pink dragon has to fall into any color category! 'Metallic' dragons have 2 weapons and since we want a cone of cotton candy and SPAM...

@Olim - I'm with you. The only thing stopping a pink dragon is only a couple of us can agree on what we should have.

 

Never the less, it does seem that more than a few of us have agreed that Pithril does exist... look at the items already invented! hehe.

I just dont like this if its coloured it has to be evil because thats what the book says! I thought dragons were sentient creatures... sentient creatures have free will. So they shouldnt have set alignments at all. White dragons I can see being evil only, because they are about as dumb as a bag of rocks apparently... but the others seem pretty intelligent.

 

Agreed Ashley! So screw the book.

Yes Pithril does exist. If it didn't we wouldn't have our Pithril Armour of Ugliness(tm)..,

So... Let's just agree, to agree, that a couple of us agree on that Pink Dragons do exist

 

Um, it's called Dungeons & Dragons for a reason; these creatures are integral to the game itself.

There's no disputing it; the behavoural nature of true dragons is fundamental to D&D - chromatic dragons are "Always [insert law/chaos axis] evil" and metallic dragons are "Always [insert l/c axis] good".

And further, DxA, you yourself avoided the whole chromatic/evil issue with your useful discovery of Pithril, thus allowing a pink-metallic dragon of good alignment (I'm thinking CG would fit it best). This also settles the issue choosing between two different breath weapons since metallic dragons have two.

And to both you and Olim: why do we have to throw out the rules when - with just a little ingenuity - we can adapt our creation to utilize them?

But I've been working on a rundown of the Pithril Dragon; should have a writeup later today, thanks to the assistance I'm getting/providing...

 

bah

 

I noticed how confusing what I said sounds:

What I meant and didn't bother to type down was why does a metal (pithral) need to exist in order to have a pink dragon?

 

Okay, I know y'all don't want to hear this, but I have to get this out:

The rules are the rules; you're right in that the DM can throw out whatever they decide for a specific game - they are the final arbiter in that game - but the rules will persist for D&D in general.
(I once dm'ed a campaign that NEVER had a random encounter - everything was either location-based or time-based; but rules on random encounters still exist)

So monster alignments are something we have to work WITH. You can just up and say you don't care, but that's not gonna get your Pithril dragon accepted by others who use the rules. (And if you don't want that why post here?)

When it comes to true dragons, they fall under the 'ALWAYS' qualifier for alignment (Gold Dragon - always LG, Black - always CE, etc.) in that these creatures are BORN with the alignment. "The creature may have a hereditary predisposition to the alignment or come from a plane that predetermines it. It is possible for individuals to change alignment, but such individuals are either unique or rare exceptions."

In short, a true dragon is a magical creature that - though sentient - has less free will than a typical player-character race.

If I were DM'ing a campaign, I would allow the possibility of rearing a dragon from egg with a different ethos, but rearing a dragon at all is a daunting task, and you'll essentially have the same problem of trying to keep a charm spell going for long periods; constant effort to keep the 'subject' dragon adhering to the alignment you WANT, which just gets harder and harder as the same subject matures and its will gets stronger and stronger.

Anyway, one is free to pitch all that out if one desires, but to do so is to make a radical change to one of the truly fundamental parts of DUNGEONS & DRAGONS. As such one's variant of the game would not be likely to find much acceptance for this variance by other players of the game.

And that's why I'm trying to work WITHIN the rules as they exist to find a niche for this creation we're considering...

 

@kuemper:
Expanding on what AE said, you need it to have a good dragon instead of an evil one. And all this cutesy-wootsy & mischievious stuff points strongly toward CG.

 

Pithril has to exist as AE stated for our Pink dragons to exist, since as he logically put it. Not everyone agrees with our assesment that the rules of D&D are rather stupid. lol

So Pithril (Pink Mithril) exists, allowing our Pink Dragon to be CG. Pithril, if a metal could be said to have an alignment, would be I think chaotic, especially if it has gold and copper in the mix.

I wasnt really trying to change the rules, I was just stating that I think that forcing alignments on sentient creatures shouldnt be done, because that makes them less than sentient.

 

So, do we all now somewhat agree that this is a pink CG pithril-dragon?

 

So it would seem.