POLL: Is Bush a Moron?

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Shralp asked for a poll, Lets give him an unofficial one.

****Do Europeans think Bush is a moron or even an idiot?****

Very simple. Z-Layrex claimed that most europeans think Bush is an idiot. I beg to differ. GWB is an excellent president in my opinion. Prove me wrong fellow europeans? Vote.

Poll Information
This poll contains 1 question(s). 87 user(s) have voted.
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Poll Results: Is Bush a Moron? (87 votes.)

Is Bush a Moron? (Choose 1)
* Yes - 68% (59)
* No - 6% (5)
* Non european, but still want to keep track. - 26% (23)

 

Just one word. Sorry.

 

Is he the head guy of that Amer-iiiica place? You know, the one somewhere over the ocean! I hear they have really cute people over there! *laughs moronically*

 

Howard`s worse.

EDIT: Does Australia count as part of Europe ?? (We have strong political connections, even if we aren`t geograpically connected )

[ August 16, 2002, 23:46: Message edited by: Lennon ]

 

Hmm, I voted yes, but I would have prefered a "kind of" option. I don't think he's the babbling idiot that some people try to make him... but he isn't a thinker, he's a doer. He's known for refusing to read huge reports handed to him, and instead asking for the quick summary. Then he makes a decision. Poof, just like that. Very effective, and, I guess in a sense useful when the country is at war... but I would sleep better if I knew that the man controlling the world's most powerful (and aggresive, I should add) army likes to sit down and really think things through before making a decision.

 

I agree, Howard is definatly worse. And he's always sucking up to Bush

 

Kinda disappointing this thread Anyway, well there is the american way to do things and there are other opinions - some may be amazed but people in europe and US disagree with Bush (or what he is told to say) for REASONS. Now there are even smartasses in the US disagreeing on what actually are the national interests of their country, also for reasons. However, reasonable reasoning about reasons involves compromise and compromise unavoidably spoils *national interest*.

That's why the US is always right in what they do and the disagreeing europeans wrong. It would be kinda funny if Bush would announce: "Yes, we are going to war in Afganistan. We have many allies ... who disagree. Of course there are other ways and we are open for discussion and so ... but we are very determined ..." I doubt the US public would regard that as signs of a potent political leadership. So he has to talk hard to gain public support.

The *whiny europeans* and the *determined US* are a sterotype evolving from that sort of zero-content babbling. The truth lies somewhere else. The point is that the US are egoistic, just like every country in the world. An altruistic country doesn't exist. But it would go kinda far to conclude from the own point of view to be right and that the others are actually wrong, especially when that right point of view is a right point of view

And yes, I doubt Bush is a really smart guy. For example because I miss some concept in what he plans for Iraq. Iraq is a relatively developed country in the region - it cannot be ignored.
So even when bringing down Iraq there must be a plan for what's going to happen when Saddam is dead. If not, the US risk something nasty happening - how about a totally instable Iraq? Another failed state like Somalia - safehaven for everyone able to pay enough? Or how about a funny little kurdish uprising in the north - to fill that vaquum left after Saddam's fall - threatening the turkish border, NATOs outer border And maybe another Bin Laden hiding there and maybe another afganistan war to get him in 2015. That can't be in the national US interest. Bush doesn't want a long US presence there to maintain stability. But just going there, bomb them with high tech weapons and to leave then is shortsighted.
And that are IMO good reasons to criticize the US war plans for iraq - as imprudent and incomplete and maybe to even say that the guy promoting them is a moron, plain irresponsible or a fool.

[ August 17, 2002, 14:44: Message edited by: Ragusa ]

 

Bush is a moron with a lot of power.
I fear that Bush will try to get rid of all muslims. One country after another. And i would prefer that the muslemic religion get's a chance to evolve. The Americans are changing the religion of former Jugoslavia right now.
I don't like the muslemic religion too, which means i wouldn't marry a muslim but i wouldn't kill a muslim just because of it's religion.
How nice of Bush to send soldiers of several countries to Afghanistan, only to kill Bin Laden, destroying the whole country and afterwards claiming, the people in Afghanistan are starving because of Europe.
I will never forget the pictures of palestinians burning an american flag after September 11.. I was so shocked about that cynism. Because those palestinians where payed by reporters (50US Dollars), and they didn't knew why they should burn that flag.
No i don't have the link to proof my statement.
But i will never believe in anything Bush says. Only if he tells me he's a moron.

[ August 17, 2002, 14:20: Message edited by: Oblate ]

 

I rest my case...

 

*Ahem* Have the two of you (not Z-Layrex) even any idea of how the US executive system works? Can the two of you explain how the US simply cannot be a one man army?

From your posts, I wager, you only have a fraction of knowledge about the system, so before you begin searching the net for evidence that supports you concept of Dictator Bush and makes you sound just a little more credible, I'll give you a search word to your voyage through a more detailed presidency system. Start of with PFIAB and work your way around from there...
And please, as Ragusa nicely stated, every country is egoistic, so be careful when reading information from non-American links.

[ August 17, 2002, 15:25: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

Well, when the outlandish links are all spoiled with anti-antiericanism - isn't it likely the american links could be spoiled by patriotism and just as worthless?

 

And we must remember that it's the Americans who started those big America aruments we had in the past.

 

Ragusa, you have taken your first step into a larger world. One where you actually evaluate your sources, and giving them thoughts. Fine. I am proud. At least we achieved something else that finding a way to put 8 smilies in every post.
Now the next hint must be to, if you are really interested in US foreign affairs?, find credible knowledge. Be that the internet or books or people.

EDIT; Z-Layrex you may rest your case but it is obviously not the pro Americans who are walking on thin ice. I haven't seen a lot of morons get a bachelor in Yale, a master degree in Harvard university and become a fighter pilot. Moronic? Bush has a direct common-sense and he uses it systematically in any case, yes. But with the aid of the Executive system. You would say that the system is corrupt and they let him graduate. That they carried him all the way to presidency. This inflaming rather than informing (Quote Jack Funk) from Europeans thwarting Bush here on the boards is becoming tiresome. Why not continue our charade and mindlessly mock Dictator Blair or Emperor Schröder...

[ August 17, 2002, 15:31: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

It's not that easy. Germany is a rather small country. I don't think any german politician is stupid enough to think he could rule the world.

There was a song sung by Schröder himself. With the text: "give me a bottle of beer or otherwise i'll strike here".
But we have election campaign in Germany and it's harder/more repugnant than ever. I fear that the percentage of voting decreases this year, because most of our politicians don't seem to be trustworthy. I hate it. I'll be election worker.

[ August 17, 2002, 15:59: Message edited by: Oblate ]

 

Well, to make a non-European input about this poll; let me tell you that an imbecile such as he is most selfevident. So much each and every human being who has heard of it actually resembles morons with him (Bush's expresion when "arsked" about 2+2)

 

Ah Noblemen!!! Don't go making out that i'm anti-USA!!!! I have no problems with the USA at all. I never said that they were stupid or anything!!! I just think GEORGE BUSH is an idiot!

 

But Z-Layrex don't you see the point? If Bush is a moron the whole process making him president is moronic. Hence those electing him too... It is impossible for one man to rule a country all by himself. Further get in power of the country in the first place!

 

Noblemen, yes i do think the whole darned system of America is fu**ed up. BUT, i have no problem whatsoever with actual Americans, i just dislike the American GOVERNMENT.

 

Ok I might be a little confused, then.
But many million Americans have chosen Bush as their leader. If they choose a leader who (To use your wording) has a mental capacity of someone less than ten years old, doesn't that make them foolish too?
Or were they just forced to take him as a leader/dictator? If the system is so miserable, why can't the Americans force it to be changed? Because America is really a dictatorship? or because they are politically blind?

[ August 17, 2002, 19:21: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

Noblemen, yes it was a hugely foolish thing to do, but i'm not going to hold one silly act against millions of people! We all do stupid things, dosn't mean we're fools. And even if someone is a fool (which Americans arn't) that's no reason to hate them.