Backstabbing w/blunt weapons, and ranger (kit) d clerics

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If you have a thief/cleric or a ranger (stalker) d cleric, what is the point of being able to backstab? You can only use blunt weapons, but you *can't* backstab with a blunt weapon.... Is there any cleric weapon you can bacstab with? If you dual-class a stalker to a cleric, the same thing applies. *IS* it worth dual-classing a ranger to a cleric rather than multiclassing? And, in that case, which kit (or lack thereof) is preferable?

 

you can't backstab with any cleric weapons, so that would be no-go for backstabbing.

I don't know about a stalker, but dualclassing a ranger to cleric gives you both druid and cleric spells (not all druid spells though), which can be rather usefull.

Though I would advise a fighter cleric instead of a ranger cleric.

[This message has been edited by Lokken (edited September 08, 2001).]

 

So, first of all, thief/clerics are useless, then? And, second of all, which druid spells do ranger/clerics not receive?

 

I think rangers recieve spell levels up to 4 (but it might be 3). I'm not sure. So the obvious answer would be all spells belonging to higher level than 3 or 4(following the druid spell table).

[This message has been edited by Lokken (edited September 08, 2001).]

 

Wrong. Cleric/Rangers get all of the Driud and Cleric spells.

 

what! that has to be a game flaw. I surely hope this doesn't apply to the normal p&p rules

 

Maybe it's a bug, but they *do* continue to gain Druid spells even after the ranger side doesn't get any new spell slots.

 

Ranger (druid) spells only go up level 3, you can't cast level 4 druid spells with a ranger. And Tiamat, cleric/thief aren't useless just because they can't backstab, I think it is a pretty powerfull class.

[This message has been edited by Silverblade (edited September 08, 2001).]

 

You know my DC/RC will have something to say about this:

"Greeting fair people of the SP message boards. I am a dual class Ranger/Cleric dualed at level 10, I am indeed able to cast all cleric and druid spells levels 1-7. My roots are grounded in nature so there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to use druid spells. Have a problem with this? I can schedule an appointment for you with either Crom Faeyr or the Fail of Ages, or perhaps you'd like to meet Skullcrusher"

-Corwin Dellalt, DC/RC

 

I did not try myself, but I suppose that you should backstab with a staff spear (there are some in the game). A cleric could use it, and is a blade weapon.

 

On Backstabbing weapons

Weapons suitable for backstabbing are in generall *bladed* weapons (of relatively small size) only.
I always found the lack of a thug-kit for thiefs regrettable (including a backslap ability using clubs as an alternative to pickpocketing and backstabbing). Looting the unconsious victim would be fairly easy The character must be of int & wis below 6 and of evil alignment but this is getting off topic ...

So in short, backstabbing is possible with:
-daggers
-shortswords
-scimitars (including wakizashis & ninja-tos)
-longswords
-katanas
and that's it.

 

The above is bad information. I have tested this thing because I was interested in a MC 1/2 orc thief/cleric and you certainly CAN backstab with a quarterstaff. You cannot backstab with a hammer or a morningstar/flail. I forgot to try the club, but the quarterstaff works and that was good enough. By the by, this character combo was also able to use darts and as far as I know, is the only cleric combination that can do so. (druids excluded)

On a separate note, when during another test....a F/M/T found that a wakizashi was NOT suitable for backstabbing...your milage may vary and I would like to hear about it...preferably from actual tests and not hearsay like the above posts.

[This message has been edited by Subra (edited September 08, 2001).]

 

backstabbing with a quarterstaff? now thats an art form in itself!

 

I don't know, Ragusa is the man when it comes to thieves. Are you sure you backstabbed with a staff??? That is whack even if you did. An art indeed, what do you hold it high vertically over your head and plunge the blunt end into somebody's back?!?!

 

With all due respect to Ragusa, a thief (including multi and dual-classed thieves) can backstab with *all* melee weapons available to a generic thief. This most certainly includes the quarterstaff.

It is easy enough to test this - just start a new game as a thief, grab the quarterstaff and try it out on the mephit in the hall N of where you find the quarterstaff. You might want to save first in case you miss.

 

Valygar had Belm (a scimitar) in his off hand once and it said he was unable to backstab because of an unsuitable weapon. He switched it for another katana and backstabbed no problem.

So it seems like scimitars don't work for backstabbing in BG2. (Which, given that scimitars are heavily curved slashing weapons, sort of makes sense--but it's weird if that winds up applying to ninja-to, which actually were *used* for backstabbing IIRC...)

Oh, and I almost forgot, but that cleric-thief in Drizzt's party kept trying to backstab me with a mace or hammer or something the time I attacked them--and getting the "unsuitable weapon" message, over and over! *laughs* What a moron...

[This message has been edited by tjekanefir (edited September 09, 2001).]

 

You CAN forget about backstabbing with a thief but you can use the other abilities!!
You can get the bounty Hunter kit for the traps and skills, or you can use the swashbuckler kit and put two points into quarterstaff, club, or any other fighting skill (i.e. sword and shield, single weapon, etc.)

 

Backstabbing with a staff .... you don't, by any chance, mean the staff spear +2 from Xzar's body ? Well, that's what I thought first <sigh>

Well, I never even tried to "stab" someone or something with a *blunt* instrument, that seemed neither possible nor plausible to me ... clubs and quarterstaffs ... why not stakes and sticks ?

Alas, so you kids found a new bug within BG-2, congratulations. To my discontentment I had to see that it works when I checked it out with one of my saved thievs in Irenicus' s dungeon Considering this bug the cleric-thief will be able to be pretty powerful ... enjoy your char backpunching and backhitting his enmies with clubs and quarterstaffs No self-respecting thief will use a staff or a club ... for BACKSTABBING

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited September 09, 2001).]

 

I get pissed off about using a staff to backstab...