George W. Bush's Resume

And You wonder Mr Bush why a terrorist attacks your country.
But really the violation of international laws, set out by the world as a whole on the environment and human rights (including the geneva convention) really does worry me.

[ April 27, 2004, 14:42: Message edited by: Defspeal ]

 

It is the liberal equivalent of Prager's column, except with a significantly higher degree of error and innacuracy propogation, almost to the point of farce.

Those of you who expressed such outrage over Prager's take on history, should be expressing similar outrage over this distortion of history.

Or is it too easy to sit back and nod because you're having your ears tickled?

 

This should be fun!

Two countries that were supporting terrorism and had ruthless evil regimes.

There was never a surplus; those who supported Clinton concocted it. The US Treasury is in no worse position than it was under Clinton. That said, Bush has spent far too much on entitlements.

As measured how? The only meaningful way is as a percentage of GDP, and he didn't even get close. False statement.

Except who was President at the beginning of the recession? Clinton. When did companies start the poor accounting practices that lead to their downfall? During the Clinton administration. Who managed to pull the economy out of a recession that had the potential to be the worst since the Great Depression? Bush.

Again as measured how? As a percentage of the value, the only measure that has any meaning - hardly the largest.

There is no proof, and many theories on both sides of the issue, as to the damage we have allegedly done to the environment. The fact is that if Bush followed the doctrine demanded by the nature-fakers we would still be in a recession, and Bush would be bashed for not getting us out of the recession.

Kerry admittedly committed war crimes. We all have skeletons...

Does repeating “the” have a purpose? The President never gets a vacation. He gets to travel away from Washington where instead of 12 to 16 hour days he only works 8 to 10 hours a day on average. And yes that went for Clinton's vacations as well. In today's world of communications, well, lets just say it wouldn't be like a President from 20 years ago being gone from Washington.

See comments above regarding bankruptcies. This should also be deleted as we as a nation have gained jobs the last 3 months, one of them being a US record.

I have a hangnail, that must be the Presidents fault too. How is it Bush's fault that people over leveraged themselves and got caught in a bad economy that was created by the previous administration?

Actually the people of the US have appointed a greater collection of criminals to office than the President. Take a look at the number of criminals in Congress, far exceeds the average Presidential appointment.

So what, he knows he is a poor speaker. What is the point?

God this is a long resume, couple more highlights and I have to get back to work...

As measured in absolute $'s. When adjusted for inflation prices are the lower than they were in the 1960's, and much lower than they were in the 70's.

Again, as measured how? In inflation adjusted $'s or % of GDP, wrong either way.

That borders on slander. There is no proof of this.

The majority of the rest of the wild claims made by this individual are suppositions, unsupportable, opinions, standard practices for government operations, or bold faced lies.

The word for something like this is "propaganda".

Those that already hate Bush will love this, those that support him will discount it, and those in the middle will be little swayed either way.

That really wasn’t fun after all.

[ April 27, 2004, 17:21: Message edited by: Darkwolf ]

 

The difference is that this is a farce while Prager's article wasn't.

 

Well, as much as I hate to admit it , I have to agree with H.S.

What pains me even more is that, other than his very first comment re invasions, and the last one re National Guard (jury's still out), I also agree with..with...with Darkwolf!

God, that hurt.

Edit: BOC, I don't think the author intended it as a farce; it just comes across that way.

 

Just as the claims in that article doesnt have any supportive facts neither does Darkwolf's disclaiming of them. I for one would love to see either a credible support for the things in that list or a credible refuting of them. Especially since much of this is used quite extensively by Bush bashers.

As Bush being AWOL being slander I find strange, I have kept myself quite up to date on that issue and even though the media has tried to ignore it as much as possible what little facts are known seems to atleast support Bush not finishing his tour in the civil guard.

 

While I will admit that all the arguments in the article are presented in an unsupported method, there is a difference between this and Prager's own "take". In this case the person is attacking Bush personally and not attacking the office of president or the U.S way of life. It is about a man. Whereas prager was labelling large groups of people. Saying ALL Europeans were nazis etc. That to me is a crucial difference.

 

Here is an article on gas prices:
http://www.cato.org/dailys/09-06-03.html

High gas prices in the US are not a factor of high oil prices, but more a factor of high taxes and lack of refining capacity. The last gas refinery built in the US was completed in 1976. If you want to protect the environment, you have to pay the price.


Deficit as a percentage of GDP:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2003/sheets/hist01z3.xls

Factual numbers for 2003 do not exist yet, but in terms of deficit, the -1.5 for 2002 do not even come close to the Reagan era or even the first 3 years of the Clinton Presidency. By the way, these numbers are admittedly skewed by the fact that borrowing from the Social Security system is not addressed. When that is factored in, there never was a surplus, but Uncle Sam doesn't give us a nice neat webpage to show us that, they probably don't want us to realize it.

DJIA factoid:

http://www.mdleasing.com/djia.htm

From Sep 3, 1929 to Jul 8, 1932 the DJIA dropped 89.19%

On Black Monday (Oct 19, 1987) the DJIA dropped 22.6% in one day.

Comparatively between Jan 14, 2000 and Oct 9, 2002 the DJIA dropped 38%. Admittedly a large decline.

However as I currently check, the DJIA is at 10,500, 1,200 points off of its all time high, but pretty good considering it took over 2 years to originally climb from 7,200 to 10,500.

As far as criminals in Congress:

http://www.wwco.com/~dda/criminals.php

http://www.renaissancemag.com/thought/default.asp?article=0300b

WOW, Bush is behind the curve on that one.

Finally, Bush was AWOL.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110956,00.html

Now, where is the evidence of him being AWOL?

 

This article doesn't say he was AWOL, just that he skipped out on a his required physical and months worth of training, then got permission to leave early.

http://www.iht.com/articles/129416.html

Perhaps the "AWOL" label getting bandied about is too much. When I see him in his flight suit, though, he really seems like a big faker.

Salon has another general article on GWB's Guard record.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/27/bush_guard/index.html

[ April 28, 2004, 09:29: Message edited by: Rubel ]

 

Democracy a way of governing a country in which the people elect representatives to form a government on their behalf a country with such a government the idea that everyone in a country has equal rights.
George Bush, invades other countries, on the pretext of bring such a democracy.

Yet, it seams that the US does not even follow democracy on its own soil.
How can it expect other countries to?

[ April 28, 2004, 13:13: Message edited by: Defspeal ]

 

If you want to believe that is the reason, then there is no one stopping you. But it is not surprising that a corporation can charge a higher price for a product with less capital investment and then blame someone else. Exxon is considered one of the richest companies in the world right now. They could build a refinery pretty much anywhere. But it makes conservatives feel better to blame environmentalists for higher prices. We know that companies would never profit over such a situation?

In fact, Prince Bandar was on MtP this last Sunday saying that his government would even invest their own dollars to get the oil companies to increase the refinery output. But why should the big oil companies bother? They can just charge more with less investment. Nice try though, Darkwolf.

[ April 28, 2004, 16:32: Message edited by: Chandos the Red ]

 

http://www.okmoga.com/pr-june07-01.html

Nice try though, Chandos

 

The "Wolf" is right. I work in an industry that is closely tied to the California refining industry. Over the last 30 years all of the small independent refiners have gradually closed down, leaving 2 in operation (and one only operates on spot production). The independent refiners and the independent fuel stations they supported did help to keep prices down at the pump...we've heard about the famous "gas wars, but the independents were not put out of business by the Exxon-Mobils or Chevron-Texacos...they were put under by the insane pollution control requirements that the State, and particularly the South Coast Air Quality Division, placed upon them.

If you are a small 20,000 barrel per day refiner, who makes .25 dollars per barrel through-put profit after paying your operating costs and overhead (which includes unionized labor), and are told that in order to keep operating you need to install 10 million dollars worth of air treatment scrubbers and monitors...what are you gonna do but go under.

Of course, these refiners quit making gasoline some time ago (the real profit centers) because the were forced to sell the light ends off to another refiner as feed stock, because they couldn't afford the hydrotreaters to make the legislated "California Clean Fuel".

Even the big boys don't have it made. Simple exercise...compare the price at the pump to the price per barrel today and ten years ago...there should be no doubt who is getting rich.

 

How come that none of these Bush-defenders explain the "- I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention." comment.

 

I always knew Bush was a complete and utter idiot, and a poor example of the better population of America, but I had never see all of his... shall we say 'deficiencies' listed. This is when I put my head in my hands with shame.


May I leave the country now?

 

Another point in the gas prices question is how our prices compare to those around the globe. Aren't they much, much higher in Europe? Maybe we Americans are luckier than we think.

As for the enviromental restrictions, I think they've got some merit. Southern California's smog has lessened greatly in the past few years, but it's still bad. I moved down from San Francisco to LA a little over a year ago. Shortly after moving, my snot turned grey, and I've been coughing up unpleasant substances ever since. Cleaner it may be, but it's really unhealthy. I worry about kids growing up around here.

My point is just that since 1) using oil is hard on people and 2) the stuff is running out, we're going to see some crazy shakeups in the next few decades; I hope our leaders can deal with the long-term problems.

 

Why can't we just drill for oil in Anwar and other places in America and oh that's right we have a bunch of snot nosed Environmentalists.

We need to stick all of the environmentalists in a 'Concentration Camp.' I'm not mean tempered. We can make the concentration camp a 'Paradise' of Environmental Friendly things. People can live there naked and happy and roam around like animals in a forest. (watch out for the snakes).

The Rest of America can gas, smoke, pollute, maim, destroy, obliterate whatever the heck we wish without anymore complaining.

Fair?

 

American Optimist - LMAO

That's one of the best laughs that this board has ever given me...

Anyhow: The article, unless designed as satirical in nature (and thusly intrinsically false) is flawed. I'm no Bush supporter, but such blatantly obvious propaganda sort of gets on my nerves.... that's all, really.

 

Caleb: The Chosen

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How come that none of these Bush-defenders explain the "- I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention." comment.
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What's to explain? United Nations Inspectors come from the United Nations. The United Nations consists of vile dictatorships, socialists, communists, kook countries of which some control the 'Humanitarian department' of the UN.

Europeans don't care about America. They spend their time playing Poker with a deck of 'American Infidels' while coming up with as many ways to SPITE and ATTACK and PISS OFF America as they can. (Which U.S. Resolution should we VETO next?) (Which U.S. demand should we ignore next?)

With the United Nations OIL for FOOD scam going on I don't think I would trust the United Nations to pick up the pencil I just dropped... Let along visit the terrorist scum in Guantanamo Bay.

America has the right to conduct their investigations of the Detainees as America sees fit. If you don't like it then too bad! Go get yourself a Violin. When we are fair and square and through with the investigations then 'PERHAPS' we will let UN Inspectors play Patty Cake with the Detainees.

It was AMERICA that got attacked on Sept. 11th 2001. 3000 of us died. We will not KowTow to the Evil United Nation's Irrelevant Debating Society, whose main Henchman is FRANCE. Jacque, 'How can I screw America,' Chirac.

[Warning for all of the above pending.] -Tal

[ April 29, 2004, 17:53: Message edited by: Taluntain ]