"Empathic link" between people

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I, too, am convinced that there is some sort of connection between humans. Especially those who are close to each other. My grandmother (mothers line) woke crying and screaming in the middle of the night when her twin brother died in Stalingrad during WW II. Make of this what you want.

There was a dream I had, similar to that of Splunge. A neighbours father appeard in my dream - shortly after this I learned that he had died. Funny thing is I didnt even know him personally, only by sight.
Most dreams are not remembered and even those we have a memory of will fade away in the course of a day. But I can still see him sitting in front of his daughters house, clothed in black.

Surely there are abilities of the human mind that we know little about, like empathy or precognition. I have no explanation for some of the odd experiences I have made personally. And I would appreciate not being written off as a lunatic, thank you.

 

I fully agree that the soul(or spirit or whatever you want to call it)has powers that our beyond our comprehension. That would mean that such strange feelings such as the one Spell described are very possible. I also think, Spell, that you are a very sensetive and special person to have such abilities.

 

Thanks for your comments, TAS. In the past, I've only discussed this with friends, privately, so it feels a little odd speaking to it here. And I'll feel even worse if tomorrow Apeman shows up with a net sticking out of his portrait hand.

 

@ Apeman:

Well, that's a bit presumptuous of you. But I'm glad we have you as our reference point for a solid footing in reality (or at least your version thereof) .

So what exactly is this "knowingness" that you refer to? I have gone on record before (I think) as stating that I believe that the "unknown" in terms of religion, god, etc. is probably just a lack of understanding of that which can be explained by science, and I said in my post above that I am not convinced that these phenomenon have any kind of supernatural explanation, but please come up with a scientific explanation to explain what Spellbound and myself have experienced. And please understand that I don't consider what I expect will be your inability to come up with such an explanation to be a failing on your part, but rather it indicates an unwillingness to consider the possibilities of alternative answers.

Good grief, I really am an agnostic.

 

People people people, geeezz.....I have my opinion you have yours.

@splunge, you don't know me do you? so you'll just have to take my word for it that I am realistic and down to earth, which in some cases is a bad thing and in some cases a good thing.

Oh and I gave an explanation already, if it is scientific or not I don't know and rather I don't care. It's an emotion, and emotions can lead to stronger feelings than let's say realism. I don't care that you dream about stuff like that and I don't care if you see dead people (is it getting cold in here ). I'm just glad that I don't and the reason why I don't is that either I relevate it and wave it away or I don't get those feeling because I have better things to do.

I just think that in this case in my opinion it is a good thing.

@spellbound, should I comment on that, neeeh it was probably one of your jokes .
And spelly don't hide your experiences from now on just for me, some people believe in them and some don't. I'm not making fun of them it's just my opinion.


Now if you all excuse me.....I'm going to sleep and probably not dream about old people I don't know


P.S. that last part was a joke and not to be taken seriously, please refrain from any comment on that last part, it was not issue in this discussion and never will be. Thank you for attention.

 

@ Apeman

Read my post again. And this time, actually read it. I never said you weren't realistic or down to earth. I said it was presumptuous to assume that you were more realistic than anyone else at SP.

Read my first post again. And this time, actually read it (again). I never claimed any emotional involvement, and in fact I specifically said there was no such involvement. (And you can claim that there might have been someting at the subconscious level, but believe me - there really was nothing special about Mrs. Smith or our (non-)relationship.)

Well, actually, no you didn't, other than to give a non-answer of emotion. Please present some facts, studies, or substantiated arguments to support your position.

 

Apeman -- So much for trying to lighten things up some. It WAS a joke -- and, given your rolleyes attached, I take it you don't like my sense of humour. Well, let me tell you.....you'd like what I REALLY wanted to say, a damn sight LESS. Geez... lighten up.

 

*chevalier enters the door of generalisation*

From what has been said it doesn't really follow that women are more aware of their surroundings than men. It's only that they're aware of it on a different level. Basically, women rely on emotions while men have brain for the purpose

 

Chevy -- I won't even go down that chauvenistic path with you.... Besides it's

 

No, it isn't offtopic. Relying on emotions in place of reason actually necessitates a perception of empathic signals, as it were, and thus it leads to experiencing a sort of empathic connection, or a link.

 

No -- you were implying that women do not use their brains, but merely are composed of emotion. Many highly intelligent women can be empaths or have sensory perceptions beyond what is considered normal. And, frankly, I'm tired of your implications. Topic closed...for me anyways.

 

It was a joke as much as Spelly's first post about it was. Spelly said women were more sensitive to their environment than men, with smilies, and some kind of a jestful remark that she was opening a door for generalisation, so I entered it with a couple of smilies.

Frankly, if we joke, it's what we're asking. About any man could take offence at that remark that women are more aware of their surroundings than men are. Nothing wrong about claiming that men are emotionally handicapped, but so very wrong to claim that men rely on brains more? Which was actually so much of a joke as the post of Spell who started it and is now complaining. Somehow, hers was understood to be a joke. And totally not offensive to anyone. So I don't get your point. Really.

 

OK -- here's my interpretation: Saying that women are more sensitive to their environments, doesn't imply that they are brainless. They may have more highly honed emotional levels, but they still have BRAINS. What you said is that men use their brains and women do not...that a heightened sense of emotions precludes the use of a brain. And yes, I find that offensive.

 

I find it offensive that you claim that women are more sensitive to their surroundings than men are. That's one.

Using emotions more than reason doesn't imply lack of intelligence. It simply implies using and this way relying on and trusting emotions more than reason.

The way in which you have handled it so far is an example of what I consider to be offensive as well.

 

Well, normally I would say let's take this to PM, where it belongs, but since I have neither the time nor the inclination to participate in a neverending barrage of PMs on this subject, I'll just apologize if I offended you in any way....and let's be done with it. It gets very old.

Hopefully this thread can get back on topic.

 

I hope the same. I also hope it's clear enough now that I didn't mean any offense. It grieves me if anyone has taken it as such.

Back in the topic, though, people of the same sex sometimes behave a bit as if they had an empathic link. To us men, women appear to have a link like that. However, my female friends say men seem to have one as well, from a female point of view. Of course, it comes down to some better understanding, but that understanding is based on instict to a great extent, I believe. Some sort of special sense.

I've asked ladies questions about some female behaviour and it seemed simple to them. At the same time, I've answered simple male questions that didn't seem this simple to the ladies asking. Perhaps I'm wrong - it may just be a matter of being around your own sex for more time and learning more about it than about the other sex, anyway.

Males are believed to have better people skills while males are believed to be better in finding their way, repairing things and the like, but I've found both presumptions to be wrong.

 

@Splunge

OK, I don't know you other people here at SP are realistic or down to earth all I know is that I am and that in my social surroundings I am known for that. That would automatically take me to the top here where there are generally less realistic/down to earth/relatavistic persons.

You knew mrs Smith from your childhood right? I'm no psyciatrist (luckily) but I don't think there has to be a relationship to think/dream about something. Maybe you saw an old woman on TV before you went to sleep or something and triggered a memory. That would be enough wouldn't it.

And if you want an answer on the unanswerable question. I can't and I've said so much, I thought the alley was to give your opinion on subjects like these which you can't prove. That I'm the only one here who doesn't believe in stuff like this is not my problem and I won't back away from it. I gave my explanations that it is all triggered by heightened emotional feelings.

I don't consider this an unwillingness to consider an alternative. In cases such as these there is no right and wrong, nothing is proven and probably never will, therefore I can better stand firm on my opinion and not waste my time finding for answers on both sides which do not exist. Simply because I don't care, normally I wouldn't even answered these posts but I like a good debate.

Oh and if I offended anyone with my posts in any kind of way it is because I say what I think without holding back. Some people here tend to give a lot of political answers I don't do that and you better get used to it.

 

@Apeman
We’re generally less realistic here? How in the world did you determine that? Before you crown yourself the King of Realism, you might like to provide some evidence proving your claims. Yes, The Alley is home to extensive debate which involves a lot of reasoning with little hard evidence… but the conclusion that we are, on average, off with the fairies lacks both. Declaring yourself more realistic than everyone here without engaging in conversation with a significant portion of us doesn’t seem particularly, uh, realistic.

How politics pertains to this topic is something I’m sure I’ll be left wondering for the rest of my life. I suspect the word you were searching for here was “diplomatic”. While we may become accustomed to your method of address, none of us are obliged to find it acceptable.

@Topic
No, I don’t believe in telepathy – I think everything has to go through our senses. That doesn’t mean that I think things can only be communicated in words and overt body language, however. It is my opinion that humans can pick up on the minutest of variations in behaviour, and while the details themselves are not passed on to the conscious part of our brain, the overall assessment is.

When considering paranormal phenomena, I always remind myself that the challenge put forth at http://www.randi.org/research/index.html has never been met. For those of you that haven’t seen it before, basically some rich skeptic has said “I’ll give a million bucks to anyone that can demonstrate anything paranormal to me”. No one has made it past the preliminary testing process, and some “psychic” celebrities (most notably Sylvia Browne) are avoiding it (I suspect, unfortunately, because it would destroy the excellent income they are earning off their “powers”).

With respect to dreams (of which I’ve had my fair share of prophetic or otherwise difficult to explain instances), I’m a big fan of the “you’d not have given it a second thought out of context” argument. That is to say, something that may be a regular feature of your dreams suddenly gains new meaning when it has some bearing on reality. I also think a lot of information is collected by our senses (both when awake and asleep) that doesn’t get processed until much later on. While the conscious part of your brain might not have seen something coming, you may have it all figured out in your dreams.

[ June 21, 2004, 11:21: Message edited by: Judas ]

 

Judas We've been over this, I can't prove that I am, I can't prove that you don't. You can't prove that I am, and you can't prove if you don't. I feel that I am and express those feelings here so who cares how I see myself it was just brought up to strengthen my reasoning on the subject.

It's a fantasy forum for crying out loud, I'm not saying the entire community of BOM aren't realistic in real life, I'm just saying that I think that the majority of fantasy lovers are more emotional than realistic. I mean come on.....I've seen people post very personal things here about there lives which is totally unnecessary to post in a forum, talk with someone close to you, don't share it with 6500 people you barely know.