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Celtic Sword - Where to put it?

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by Loerand, Feb 22, 2004.

  1. Loerand

    Loerand My heart holds no fear for death

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    Hey, I want my character to use celtic swords, but I don't know what kind of swords they are. If anyone could suggest a "class"(longsword, bastard sword, shortsword etc.) it would have been nice.

    If you don't know what a celtic sword is like, you can go here , and look at the lower-most sword. That's the one :)
     
  2. Barmy Army

    Barmy Army Simple mind, simple pleasures... Adored Veteran

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    That just looks like a Longsword to me. But I'm not sure what you mean by "Celtic Swords"? :S
     
  3. Klorox

    Klorox Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! Veteran

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    If it's Irish you're lookin' for, shouldn't you go for short swords? ;)

    (Hey, it's a joke guys!)

    The sword in the pic is probably a longsword, because all of the other swords are shorter than it (and it's not a bastard sword, the hilt is too short). Realistically, there were not "long swords" and "short swords," there were just swords of different lengths (and in Scotland, your offhand sword, no matter how big it was, was considered your "dagger").
     
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    Well, I calculated their size and unless I´m a moron they´re about 80cm long. And if this is indeed so I´d say they´re more like shortswords than longswords...
     
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    @Morsmodore: Celtic Swords - how surprising! - were used by Celtic people. Their swords are typical as you can see at the given link.

    My calculation has given value of 77centimeter (so approximately 80cm). Maybe really a shortsword... I will check the BG2 manual.
     
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    Yeah, I looked around abit and compared to other swords and it seems like they´re indeed longswords afterall.
     
  7. Baronius

    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    According to BG2 rules, Celtic Swords should be shortswords.
    From BGII manual:
    And all the swords (even the last one which is quite long) at the given site are shorter than 35...
     
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    Well, I´m not to experienced with real swords or the Inch system. I calculated and got the blade to be about 50cm though, but with the hilt it ended on 80. Feels like a shortsword. But then I found a sword that was called Broad Sword and it was almost the exact same length. And my pnp experience tells me that broad swords are bigger than long swords... I wish I had some of my old dungeon and dragon books here now though. Although, seems like Baronius found the correct rules since it´s to bg2 you´re gonna have your character...
     
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    Heh, well, there are a few classifications that determine what kind of sword a sword is. Length is the most obvious and largest factor. Long swords are usually 36-42 inches long, so those celtic swords aren't long swords, but likewise they aren't short swords, because short swords are about 26 inches long total, (they are stabbing weapons not slashing :p ). The celtic swords could be considered long, but usually I think if a celt fighting with a bastard sword or a battle axe. Otherwise I would suggest scimitar/longsword, because those celtic swords are closer to those 2 types of weapons!
     
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    Well i get these stupid knife catalogues in the mail that always want to sell me "Celtic Swords"

    2-Handed Swords, 'hand-and-a-half' swords, aka bastard swords, and the ones on that page mostly looked like short swords.

    Really, the Celts and later Irish made all kinds of swords of diffrent varieties.
     
  11. Baronius

    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    Could I ask where do get these values from?
    There're okay, it is natural that the definitions vary depending on where you search them (in what book/database/anything, what author etc.).
    As I have written, mine were from BGII manual, so they should be "AD&D compatible". And since this is BGII, I interpreted Daephon's question as "what sword would it be according to BGII rules?".
     
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    [​IMG] Those look like some thing Merry and Pippin were waving in ROTK. Definately Short Swords.
     
  13. Loerand

    Loerand My heart holds no fear for death

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    Ok, I only meant the most-lower sword on that page. And IMO, I think it is a celtic longsword, since it's not exactly created fot thrusting. It might not have the proper length to be classified as longsword, but hey, it's only a half inch until it "proper". So, I put in my the longsword category.

    But please, continue to post your views and suggestions, maybe I'll change my mind :D
     
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    Merry and Pippin (as well as Frodo), were carrying Elven Daggers, which for them became short swords. A shortsword to them would be about half their height, (thus a long sword to them). But I got my values from word of mouth. My friends a sword dealer and myself had discussions about this stuff every once in a while. They're really close to long swords, and shortswords. Fact is the shortest Longsword is still much longer than the longest shortsword. And those are in between I think. But really, from the size of the Celt's, I'd say that for them they really would be Short Swords, not Longswords, so my bad earlier up in the post :)
     
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    Loerand My heart holds no fear for death

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    Ehem, I forgot to mention this in my earlier post. As someone mentioned in some replies up here, they calculated the lower-most sowrd to be approx. 77 cm. That's not correct. In fact, it is almost 90 centimetres long(87,63 to be accurate :D ), as one inch equals 2,54 cm.
    So, blah :p
     
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    *glances at celtic sword*

    *declares it to be a short sword obviously, without needing a weekend to debate it*
     
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    [​IMG] The length alone suggests that you would use short swords. The problem is that the Celtic swords were designed for slashing first and piercing second. All short swords in the game are used for piercing only. The description for a long sword in the game states that long swords vary from culture to culture, so I would use a long sword as the game equivalent for a Celtic sword. One could easily say that the Celtic people made their slashing sword shorter than other cultures did.
     
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    and the debate continues, personally, if you do not literally SHANK people with it, its a long sword or bigger!
     
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    Just make it a short sword with slashing damage.
     
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    I will repeat myself several times now to emphasize my point, SHANK SHANK SHANK SHANK..........and SHANK some more.
     
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