Looks of monsters

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When I first encountered a troll it was completely different then what I imagined.
I thought a troll was a heavily build creature, slightly taller then dwarfs, but less intelligent. Rather sneaky, able to speak a certain language and wielding a club.
Smelly, ugly and warty. (I all remember this of the pictures in the fairy-tales book my mom used to read from before I went to sleep, Resulting in a sleepless night, affraid the trolls would bash the doors open and cook me )

Trolls is BG2 seem rather slender, tall and stupid. Non of them wielding a weapon and only one who spoke to me, and he smelled too.

Did you found some creatures different then what you expected them to be?

 

I thought the trolls were a little off too, when i think of trolls, i think of the warhammer trolls. The game got the size right, but the face should have been more chubby not boney like it is in the game, and whats up with the hair.

Also they should use clubs and throw big rocks at you.

 

Most things fit the way I expected to, I guess. (I got the way I looked at monsters mainly from Warcraft ) However, I felt that the dragons were too slender to be really imposing. However, I agree with the troll; they all live on land and in dungeons, I thought they were supposed to live under bridges.

 

I really didn't have any prejudices on trolls or any of the other races in BG2 so I guess I wasn't really surprised at anything.

 

Yeah, when I was watching the fight in the Copper Coronet, I was like "What the hell was that?" and then I checked the dialog, and it said a troll, so I'm like "That is a troll?!"

I thought trolls might look like Umber Hulks but thinner and grennish.

 

The trolls are identical to the ones drawn in the 1st Edition AD&D Monster Manual (and possibly other editions), so given that the game is replicating a D&D world, I'd say they were on the mark.

The golems and demons on the other hand... what where they thinking?

 

I think the other troll animations were better (the spirit trolls). They were much bulkier and more 'trollish'. Can't come up with a critter I wouldn't like though. (Although some variation between the golems *would* have been nice, instead of them all using the same clay/metal variant.)

 

I believe that the golem sort of deviated from the "traditional" golem in Hebrew mysticism. A golem in BGII is a giant, vaguely humanoid construct. I think in the mysticism, they are supposed to resemble humans more. The flesh golems in 3e DnD also don't fit in the game, as they're supposed to Frankenstein-ish creatures, not like the flesh golems you see in the game.

 

Elementals. *sigh* much more humanoid than from the Monstrous manual from PnP. Not that it matters to me, but indeed different from my expectations.

 

I got my idea of what Trolls looked like mostly from Lord of the Rings. There, trolls were created from Ents by some evil arts, so maybe they look ok in the game. I expected more a more rocky look, though.

Golems are supposed to be people that have had a brain transplant, or like a zombie. In the game, though, I guess golems are manufactured, and they only had one mold to go on, it seems

 

Are Golems supposed to be brainless humans in Tolkien's book?

 

Golems dont really appear in LOTR, or any or Tolkien's books as far as I can recall. He's just pointing out that the look of a Troll, as in the movie LOTR, would have been a better look that the one that is now used in BG.

 

IMHO the spectral trol has a better look than the normal ones, the troll paperdoll they used was more like what i think a ghoul should look like

 

The golem is described in the "Dune" books, the second one I think. They didn't appear in LoTR. I like how they look.

I think my favorite is the Fire Salamander.

 

In LotR Gollum is a person, not some kind of race or creature type. He has nothing to do with the BG golems. If he had, they would have made a huge mistake making a Golem a huge fighting machine in stead of some sneaky treacherous I-can-see-in-the-dark slime-kobols/gibberling.
IIRC, Smaegol got his name Gollum because of the weird noises he mades deep in his throat.

 

Gollum was a hobbit once.. but got corrupted by the power of the Ring.

 

Orcs looked alot diffent. I expected a huge blob with a club but they seem quite smmall and skilled with a bow in BG2...

 

A Golem in the Dune saga? I have read the first three books, and I can state that there *is* a humanoid machine, but it's not a golem at all.

In "Dune Messiah" (second book) Alia trains her fighting skills with a robot, a humanoid machine equipped with a blade and a Holtzmann shiled, built only to fight with a blade at the pressure of a button. In fact it was described as very near to a break of the laws of the Butlerian Jihad, but it did not seem to me alike to a golem at all.

 

I got most of my monster perceptions from Warcraft and mostly Warhammer. I've always imagined trolls to be Big, Ugly, Smelly, Stupid things carrying clubs or big rocks.

NOT some Weight Watching lime green scratching thing!!

And i thought golems where meant to be a Wizards "helper" (ie. cleaner, doorguard, etc) not a rock hard 50ft tall Monster!!
(i thought them to be Intelligent Artificial Zombies (kinda))

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[in fact, now that i've checked my Monster Manual from D&D, this is the proper Golem Look http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/mm_gallery/GolemsIronStoneFlesh.jpg , so there!

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[This message has been edited by yappie! (edited April 01, 2002).]

 

my concepts of monsters were derived from fairy tales, LOTR, dragon lance series, and fantasy-based movies.

trolls - i agree with most of you, to me trolls are short and plump, smelly and ugly, club wielding, big teeth and big nose.

goblins - i think they are okay. i just can't figure how they were able to use long bows with their heights.

golems - i don't have any problem with the size of the golem, shapewise it is just about right, there are various types of golems, i sort of accept that they can be tall, short, or giant, plump or slender. but always almost human-like figure.

elves - they are too short. i like LOTR's elves so much better.

skeleton warriors/mummies - i think they are too tall. aren't they supposed to be human skeletons/mummies? maybe those outside the city, you can say they are ogre or ogron skeletons. but those in the crypts of the cemeteries, i don't think so.