Underdark lich help

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this guy keeps killing my group. any suggestions? What are the best protection spells, what are the best spells to bring down his magic defenses. I assume I should scatter, then he won't be able to stun everyone but minsc all at once right? His spells don't seem to bother minsc and the talking sword, but the weapon has no effect most of the time.

 

by this time someone in your group (hopefully) has warding whip, cast it on the lich.. and hopefull in 2-3 rounds your arrackers can start landing hits,
As for spells to have casted on your party, on your attackers put chaotic commands (a level 4 or 5 cleric spell i forget). that normalls covers all the protection/anti protection i need... but then again ive done it alot so..

 

My solution is to only have one character in his immediate area (keep the rest too far away from him to be able to see).
Use the boots of speed or an invisibity potion to get away from him and watch until his defences come down. Then hit him with everything you have (long range) and he won't have time to cast a spell.

 

Gather your group around the area where he spawns in and attack him before any dialog occurs. I tried that once and smoked him in seconds.

 

Doesn't always work (Gathering aroud him) as he usually gets his defences up too fast but if your using +4 weapons I suppose it could be possible.

 

In this case the lich is there right inside his front door with a red circle. I tried everyone attacking him at once and he did take some damage from Minsc and ranged weapons before stoneskin went off, but then he toasted my party. what I hate is I had 3 mages with spell sequences full of magic missles and he took no damage. I'm going to try minsc pounding on him to occupy him have everyone else run past have jaheria and viconia summon monsters while aeri imoen and I try pierce magic etc. this guy is pissing me off!

 

If the lich casts improved mantle, melee attacks are pretty much useless. I've found that Pierce Magic works well, and be sure that you use some sort of invisibilty purge so that you can actually target the creature.

One thing about Improved Mantle, it has a short duration. I like to send in one attacker who has alot of improved abilites (haste, bless, chant, strength, resistances) to hack away at the litch even tho' no damage is occuring. While this is going on, I get the rest of my crew ready with their weapons of choice. I also barrage the lich with magic removal spells. Once my initial attacker starts scoring damage, I open up with everything I've got.

It's always wise at first for most of your group to hang back to avoid the area affect spells.

 

I have a paladin wielding Carsomyr (unhasted he has 3 attacks per round) so that helps alot. If I drink a potion of magic resistance, between the potion and the sword he has 100% magic res. I used Keldorn's dispel magic special ability (the Paladin inquisitor's kit) at the 26th or 28th level to knock out his defenses and just pounded him. I think between My main character(the paladin) minsc and my ranged attacks and spells I finished him off in about 5 seconds. (After he turned red) I think the Inquisitor's high level dispel magic spell is the best strategy against high level mages in the game!!!

 

Pierce Shield(8th lvl) and Breach(5th lvl) are the keys for fighting certain spellcasters / liches that have immediate protections. A scroll for Pierce Shield can be purchased (I recall) at one of the places in the Underdark. Check the merchants in and outside of the city. Then memorize them -hopefully you have 2 mages. One Mage can memorize and cast Pierce Shield in round 1 while the other memorizes Breach and will cast that in the first round as well against the lich.

Pierce Shield will wipe out his Spell Traps and those type protections. Breach will wipe his Stoneskins and Mantles -or anything that will block a melee weapon attack. As mentioned protect any upfront fighters with Chaotic Commands and Death Wards (Cleric Spells). Enjoy!


[This message has been edited by Draco Vlasavius (edited December 12, 2000).]

 

I surrounded him and beat the crap out of him before he could talk to me.

 

summon a lot of nasty monsters is definately another way..

 

Maybe it was just me, but I didn't get the jump on him, and I still thought he was easy compared to the rest of the litches. I didn't have too hard of a time killing him off at all

 

Now I'm afraid to meet the other liches if he was the easy one. I did kill him. Scattering my characters was the biggest help. He was whacking everyone at the same time when we were bunched. Liches are the worst, dragons are a piece of cake by comparison.

 

I think Dragons are easier because you can develop good strategy for killing them. Litches are a completely different problem. My fights with them tend to be more chaotic and problematic where I have some characters running around, stuned, mazed, imprisoned, killed, etc. A good trick for tackeling them is to use daystar. Nisaharuu and Hackashar also work great and can save your party a LOT of trouble. They can drain their spells and sequencers as well if I'm not mistaken.

 

I've been thoroughly enjoying this forum for about a month now since buying BG2. Finally have something worthwhile to contribute.

Regarding Deirex the Lich in Ust'Natha, after you get the rope to enter his tower (one nearest the Temple), you have a brief window to attack before the Lich attempts to cast imprisonment on you (which the rope is meant to protect you from apparently). I saw another post a while back that said his kensai was able to knock off Deirex before he got teleported out to the mage (who wants you to steal the gems that, he says, have the trapped souls of his men).

I didn't quite believe it possible until I was able to do the same -- and I did it with arrows only!!! Here how...

Two front line fighters, MInsc with boots of speed, Mazzy improve hasted charge forward with instructions to attack with Celestial Fury and Flail of the Ages. The backline four stayed put, with my swashbuckler and Nalia instructed to start firing arrows.

All the lich is trying to do is get to your main character to cast imprisonment (to trigger the teleport). My frontline fighters get to the lich giving him no choice but to try to circle round them (with only a small space between my fighters and the tables on either side). After my frontline fighters get one swing in each (you lose control of your characters) then stop, just standing there. Meanwhile Nalia and my swashbuckler fire arrows in. It actually was quite humorous. Nalia would hit him as the lich circled round one side of my fighters, he'd switch directions and try for the other side where my character hits him with another arrow, and so on. It looked like a carnival shooting game, with Deirex pinging back and forth with each hit. We eventually killed him, and then got teleported to the mage.

Picked up some nice experience and a decent haul in gold.

 

Another note on liches.

Know, that every lich is immune to ALL SPELLS from level 1 to level 4. Only level 5 spells and up can hurt them. (like an invisible globe of invulnerability all the time)

Also know, that they are undead creatures, so the clerical ability turn undead may affect them. There are also some very powerful clerical spells like false dawn or sunray that make sort work of these pests.

Also note, that they are very vulnerable to fire, as every undead creature, and they are immune to the spell, finger of death.

Recommended spells against them:

Wizzard: breach, ruby ray of reversal, sunfire, Abi Dalzim's horrid wilting(use sunfire a few times, and burn them to death quickly)

Priest: flamesrtike, sunray, bolt of glory, false dawn

Druid: insect plague works wonders!

 

that guy was easy... u know where he comes out right..

i had my thief/mage/fighter char and minsc waiting for him when he appeared.. i held a +3 Drow shield and a golden +2 warhammer from the Adventurer's mart while Minsc had Flail of Ages and another +2 warhammer... the rest held bows and slings with +s and with enchanted ammo...

he came down fast... quite impossible to cast spells when ppl keep hitting u.. and slings are GREAT at disrupting spells.. esp with haste.. then u can throw one bullet a second!

 

Just cast one Rubi Ray Of Reversal, or one wrding whip, or anything that removes(improved)mantle. Then use a greenstone amulet, or chaotic comands, or go berserk, or use the talking sword (forgot the name), since it grants mindshield.

 

I also killed him before I got teleported out... I don't feel like it was cheating since I had no idea what was coming. I just paused as soon as I got in the door to get my bearings. Then I had everyone attack the lich. My main char (with speed boots) was the only fighter to actually make it, but when the game went cinematic, he kept pounding, and the lich was long dead by the time I got ported out. I couldn't stop laughing, as I realized at that point it was not the way it was supposed to happen.

 

I found Ruby Ray of Reversal the best spell there is, although I only used it once, because I have thought (all the way through the game) it was disintegration, which is a crap-spell.
I used Ruby ray on Irenicus in the final fight, leaving him...well...Pretty much defenceless actually... !