A few errors (minor spoilers).

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1. We are constantly reminded that Lathander considers pride to be a horrible sin. However, when you take upon the quest to retrieve the Dawn Ring, a priest will say "Lathander takes great pride in his artifacts".

2. How come there are clerics in the Eyeless Cult? They do not worship a God. And I believe that in Faerun you dont get spells if you believe in just something(like in Planescape or Eberron).

[ September 14, 2006, 00:07: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

1-Pride which is undeserved sure is a sin, but...

2-I have no idea. Hey, only those Blind Priests in Beholder Den casts cleric spells. Maybe Unseeing Eye powers them? But how?

Gaal casts mage spells (cone of cold) IIRC, but I usually kill him so fast I am not sure.

 

Gaal does indeed cast mage spells.

Perhaps the sheer belief in the Unseeing Eye gives him a slight power to hand out clerical spells to a chosen few. I'm not sure as I'm getting a bit hungry to think right now...

 

Clerics are not neccessarily tied to one specific deity. You can be a cleric of a cause, or just a cleric in general, without being sworn to serve a god. Some settings may nix that, like in certain ages of Dragonlance where the godly connections to the world were too weak for a connection to general divine power instead of a specific god/dess. However, in other ages, there could be just general clerics.

The same may be true of FR. It could be that the current point in the setting does not allow general clerics, but during the BG2 time it did. Or, it could be just yet another thing they got wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first.

 

Clerics in the Unseeing Eye probably converted to that cult from their existing one (Lathander / Helm / Talos). Unless gods sever their ties with clerics instantly, maybe some of those spells got carried over. What gets me though is that they aren't blind - they still have normal sight ranges when spotting my party.

 

That's because the Unseeing Eye gave them additional senses--IIRC, that is. I seem to remember Sassar(?), the ex-highpriest, saying that he and his friends lost the senses the UE gave them. Though my memory is far from flawless...

 

Felinoid, isn't that a 3e rule? I thought in 2e a Cleric needed a deity.

 

In 2e, it depended on the setting. As I recall, Faerun is one of the places where you need a deity. We had considered trying to eliminate deity-less (i.e. trueclass) clerics in Divine Remix, but could never find a technical solution with which we were satisfied.

 

@Klorox:
They may have carried it over to 3e; I don't know. But I do know 2e, and that's what I talk about. In 2e you can be a priest of a specific deity, but those typically have extra stat requirements (if you look at this "Human Gods of the Realms" page on SP, you'll see what I mean). But plain clerics are not forced to follow any one god, though most players do typically choose one anyway. The same applies to plain druids, who revere nature and not any nature deity, while at the same time priests of a nature deity usually end up looking very much like druids, though typically with different alignment restrictions (check out Chauntea on that same page).

 

I wonder, who does a generic priest pray to, in order to get his/her spells? Surely they don't just broadcast their prayers...

 

I think the "generic" clerics get their spells because they believe in an ideal, a theory or something like that.

 

I do hope Felinoid won't bite me now, since from what I seen in these few days since I registered to the BoM he doesn't like 3ed rules. I myself find them interesting, and they are necesary to explain what is following.

As you probably know, third edition has three core books: Player's handbook, Dungeos master guide and Monster manual(ok, this is 3.5 edition, but i beleive it is not much different form 3ed). Beside this three books, there are numerous other books, amongt them Book of vile darkness. In this book, there are lot of prestige classes, meant to be played in evil campaigns. One of this prestige classes is ur-priest. I'll not go in the details, it is enought to know that ur-priest get their clerical powers by not praying towards any specific deity, but instead STEALING it from them. Yes, they steal divine energy form the gods themself. This could explain the blind clerics powers. Sure, it's moving 3.5 ed rules to 2ed rules, but it's the best explanation I can get.

 

I think you may have understated the matter. Fel is infamous for not liking the change from 2ed.

 

Ah, and Felinoid is a 'she' AFAIK. [No, he isn't.] -Tal

Anyway, your explanation is interesting, but I really do not think the game designers really cared about that 3e rule and implemented this like that in to their game. They just put those blind clerics as a tough encounter, and a much needed fresh air after all those gauths, beholders co. battles.

Unseeing Eye is vastly powerful, an ancient among Beholders as Gaal stated. Can't he simply give power to his 'Priests' by some unknown manner? Or, is he really the avatar of a new God? Churches state that no new god is around, however. This is a puzzle.

[ September 15, 2006, 15:16: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

Could be Bhaal testing his kin.

Faith is a strong thing. If you have enough faith in a rock, you can get prayers from it.

 

I HIGHLY doubt that Kuem

 

@Tal and dear Felinoid

Umm, I had no idea where/how I got that impression. Well, sorry about the confusion. Apologise to Felinoid as well. Forgive me on my ignorance!

Kuemper is a she then, I am at least sure of it. Right? I think I confused them as they both have shiny avatars and are the most active people on these boards. Or, also I am an idiot...

Anyway...call me the idiot of the year, will you?

I remember that Gaal also had some cleric levels back when I looked at his CRE file via SK out of curiosity. I guess he was a mage till he met UE and dual-classed to cleric? (which also explains the bulky cleric avatar) Do you have any idea?

 

Yeah Fel's a guy, Kuem's a girl

But anyways, I thought Gaal was just a cleric but had a few mage spells due to some cult ability?

 

OK I will recite this to myself over and over in my spare time as a punishment:'Fel's a guy, Kuemp's a girl.' Right!

Can some one clarify Gaal's chaarcter classes? It interested me somehow. Is he multi-classed or dual? I know he is human (or looks like) but the game can abuse that sort of things 'behind the curtain'.

 

Yeah, he's an illegal human M/C, with spells memorized from each circle. 10th level in both classes despite minimum XP for 10th level cleric being 450,000 and minimum XP for an 11th level mage being 375,000. Impossible in many ways.