May the speculation begin...

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Besides which, Bioware have themselves admitted that they'd rather have spent more time making it better, but there wasn't any more time. Since NWN is still being sold, it would be bad business to publicly slam the contents of a game that may lead to more purchases of one on which you are working.

 

Hype, definitely. I remember when I got the game, I was in heaven that it was finally out, shaking with joy. Only when I finished it did the realization of what kind of crap was SP part of NWN struck me.
Few months ago Gamespy put NWN on their list of "10 most overrated games of all time" or something like that. I think they were the first (and so far the only) to admit the mistake.

 

Well, I actually read a review (in French) that praised nwn in the heavens, but they admitted it was for the potential of custom development and not for the game in itself. (for those interested, it was in a gaming magazine called Gen4)

 

In my opinion there were a lot of ideas that were just left out the last minute or half-done like the alleged romancing. All you got in every case was a big fat MAYBE at the last dialogue. No chance of seeing this romance through.
Furthermore this one-npc thing (2 on HotU I think) killed all interaction between NPCs (like in BG2 between Viconia and... well pretty much everyone else!)
Oh, AND REAL ****EN IMPORTING OF YOUR NWN1 CHARACTER, LET THE PLAYER DECIDE WHETHER HIS CHARACTER IS TOO STRONG FOR THE CAMPAIGN. In any case the XP a high leveled character will get is pretty lame so soon enough he/she will be at the right level after a while

 

i'd surely want to see some more personality in NPC's. I also wish more classes to obtain and unlimited character creation. I hate it to be bound to 3 classes max. I once had an idea of Rogue/Assassin/Shadowdancer/Blackguard, but yay, i couldnt make it

 

I think it would be a good idea if you could manipulate the environment more. Like being able to start a Tavern brawl with chairs and tables for weapons, the ability to throw someone through a window or wall (if your strong enough)and the ability to hide in a closet until its all over.

 

I'd like to see the class limit dropped and an xp multiclassing penalty implemented, this would be actual DnD rules. I'd like to see a different min/max skill system, the current one I think is both restrictive AND abusable. Not a good combination. And please, please, do away with the Henchman system. I know they've already said they're sticking with it but when are they going to get it through their thick skulls that giving you full control of your NPC's gives you more options, which gives you more varied tactics, which allows you to make the game more challenging? I just hope Obsidian doesn't inherit Bioware's stubborness.

 

Yup. The henchmen are stupid, no argument on that. They are useless most of the time due to their crappy AI.Fully controlable NPC's with personalities (like those in BG2) would be so much better.

 

Do you know how annoying was it when I tried to battle a bunch of sceletal mind-controlers-what's their-name and my cleric henchman instead of coming to fight by my side would just keep casting turn undead which to this high-leveled creatures did absolutely nothing over and over again?
Or when I'd fight a bunch of low level kobolts and she would cast hammer of the gods. And there wasn't even a command use spells depending on how many enemies you have before you and of what level, something to keep her from throwing everything she got to a single wolf. I mean ARGG!

 

NWN does have the XP penalty for multiclassed implemented exactly as specified in the DnD 3.0 rules. 20% penalty if any two non-preferred, non-PrC classes are more than one level apart.

I too would like to have access to more than three classes sometimes. I'd like to see what a Bard/Fighter/Dragon Disciple/Paladin could do.

 

I never saw anything on the character sheets about favored classes or xp penalties (like in IWD2) so I just assumed they weren't there. I remember one post by one of the guys on the NWN team regarding the 3 class limit and he said it was to limit people's powergaming. I find this rather stupid since that's exactly what xp penalties are for, there's no reason to limit players further.

As for the Henchman issue, I can understand their reasons for its implementation, but it isn't worth it to try to make them seem like their own minds (especially when other NPC's don't even acknowledge they're there) when you limit gameplay as much as you do. Bioware has stated repeatedly that they want it to fell like table top combat where you don't have control over the other partymembers. Well, I don't know about you, but when I play PnP I've always worked with the other PC's, setting up our characters in flanking positions and whatnot. I think the TOEE system was a good compromise where you didn't have control over how their character leveled up and their more personal choices, but you had complete control over them in combat.

 

****! ****!

I DON'T LIKE THAT POLL ON THE FRONT PAGE!

I'm pretty sure that they are "feeling the pulse" with that one. Getting hit on by [snip] in a game is not how I want to spend my free time.
**** being PC! Can't they concetrate on more important issues?!
Except if we're talking about lesbians. Or maybe even elven lesbians. Now THAT is surely welcomed.

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[ August 17, 2004, 11:57: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

Are you telling me that the poll has nothing to do with NWN2? I'm pretty sure it does. If that is the case, then this IS the proper forum for such a discussion.
The topic name is "May the speculation begin". Based on the poll I'm therefore speculating that they are thinking about putting in a homo-romance.
If you say that I am wrong and that such a thing is not being considered, then fine, I'm droping the subject.

btw I have nothing against gay people, the forced PC is what bothers me.

 

"...in no way official"

Then you guys must have a fortune teller in your staff because these polls have been a very good prediction for events that followed them. Or the polls have been used as a marketing research tool which is a far more likely situation.

I now have a strong conviction that a gay romance is being seriosly considered for an upcoming game, be it NWN2, BG3, or even both of them, basing it on my experience with your polls which I have started to take as a "matter of fact" over the years for reasons mentioned above. Being that the curent poll's results are mostly positive, maybe we shall soon be entertained with a new press release from BW, and then we'll see how (un)reliable the information in your polls really are and are my asumptions (in)correct.

I have made a 180 turn in opinion on the gay romance possibility (pun not intended). I can just kill the guy if he pisses me of by being too pushy and not taking no for an answer! Or by being an idiot on some other matter. The gay people, on the other hand, can have their fun with him. Everyone happy. Butt they better make that attack icon and not make him relevant to the plot...

 

Absolutely. This is the place where some of their most devoted consumers stop by.

Played KotoR, didn't know about the lesbian possibility...

 

It's a rumour actually. The thing is, a female protagonist can have a closer relationship with the catwoman character than a male one. But it is by no means a lesbian romance. Many have tried it and found that over-enthusiastic teens merely went and read more in it than was actually there.