Backstabbing

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Is there a list of weapons that can backstab?

Most of what I've read stated that it must be a piercing melee weapon, but katanas backstab and are slashing weapons. Also, someone on these boards claimed to have backstabbed with a staff. Perhaps he meant the staff spear. Anyway, could someone show me a list if one exists. Thank you.

 

I can't seem to backstab either, I'm using the Spectral Brand +5. It's so dumb, I go to backstab some one and my PC just leaves the shadows and attacks.

 

Backstabbing:

1. The weapon must be usable by a thief.
2. It is best to turn off the AI (or use a passive script)
3. If you click on the weapon or the attack button, your thief will leave shadows and the backstab will fail

So to successfully backstab you should hide in shadows (or be invisible), position the character behind the enemy, move the cursor over the enemy (so the cursor turns into a sword), and click on the enemy.

 

I can successfully backstab. I tend to use the F2 key once I am behind the target. My question was just to clarify for myself which weapons can be used to backstab.

 

OK last question inside a question: What does the F2 key do???

 

You can backstab with a one hand blade weapon... such as dager, long sword, bastard sword, katana, scimitar...

 

It force attacks. This is like clicking on your weapon icon twice. Doing that would force you to leave the shadows. You can't always just click on your target because they may still be "friendly", such as the bad guys in the inn in Waulkeen's Promenade.

 

I answered your question above.

You can backstab with any weapon that a thief can use. In a weapons description, it states what classes it cannot be used by. If it can be used by a thief, then you can backstab.

[This message has been edited by Jack Funk (edited June 14, 2002).]

 

This is how you backstab a "friendly" enemy in five easey steps:
1. Hide in shadows
2. Possition you char behind the enemy
3. pause the game
4. FORCE ATACK!
5. Unpause

That's all. Pretty easy, huh?

 

Take a look here
It has everything you want to know about thieves and their abilities.

 

1.No two handed weapons can backstab
2.Must be usable by thief.
3.Get the sword of backstabbing to get better backstabs.

 

1. Backstabbing can be done with ALL MELEE weapons usable by the thief class. YES you can backstab with a cleric staff +3 I tested it myself. NO you can't backstab with the staff of magi because it isn't normally available to the thief class.
In other words: daggers, clubs, quarter staves, long swords, short swords can all be used for backstabbing. I don't know about katana's because it doesn't show in the table at the back of my manual.

2. What does the F2 button do?
At the bottom of the screen there are 12 icons. these can be "clicked" on with F1-F12, so F1 will make your character talk after selecting who to talk to, F2 will select the first weapon etc.

 

Padine: What does the Short Sword of Backstabbing do that other weapons can't? AFAIK, it's just a fancy name for an otherwise regular +3 short sword, and doesn't backstab any "better" than any other weapon. Having said that, though, it's still a damn fine weapon for the backstabbing thief.

Regarding the OP: As Jack said, the game allows you to use ANY meelee weapon available to the thief class (even two-handed) for backstabbing, though IMHO this is a little silly. If powergaming's your thing, then by all means go ahead and "backstab" with the Celestial Fury, or "backstab" with the Staff of the Magii* . Heck, if you have [a certain expansion] installed, why not have your little halfling thief backstab with Carsomyr? For a better roleplaying experience, however, I usually limit myself to small piercing weapons like shortswords and daggers, of which there are many excellent ones in the game (Firetooth! ). Conceivably, you could also roleplay a "mugger" type character who bonks unsuspecting victims on the head with a club. But everyone one has their own way of playing, so do whatever is the most fun for you.

(* oops! OK, maybe not the Staff of the Magii, but you get my point )

[This message has been edited by Achilles (edited June 27, 2002).]

 

Its perfectly logical to beable to backstab with a longsword or even a katana(yes they are allowed StressedE). Your in the shadows standing behind the person, all you have to do is thrust your sword foreward. Its simple really. Achilles explains a good way to use a Staff for "Backbashing."

A nitpick though Achilles A thief couldnt use Carsomyr for backstabbing, even with the certain expansion. because 1) its limited to Paladines(even though that can be overcome) and 2) its a two-handed weapon that thieves arent normally allowed to use.
So, no Backstabing with two-handed swords period.

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[This message has been edited by DeBhaal Stasion (edited June 27, 2002).]

 

DeBhaal Stasion: your nitpick is correct, my mistake . The weapon must be usable by a thief. I'm pretty sure you can also use weapons that have no class restrictions at all (like staff of Rhynn + 4).

Now, my turn for a little nitpicking . Katanas (many, but not all) are usually 3 - 4 feet, sometimes slightly curved, with a squarish tip and sharpened on one side only. They have a long hilt, and not much of a guard between the hilt and the blade. So, the typical katana is definitely a slice & dice type weapon and not a thrusting one.

Having said that, it's certainly possible for someone to plant a katana in someone's back. Ditto for long swords, and even bastard and two-handed swords if you think about it. It's just that, IMHO, from a roleplaying perspective these types of massive swords are generally wielded by strong warrior types who prefer to stare an enemy in the eye rather than the cunning and nimble types who sneak around in the shadows. I would imagine that even a stealthy ninja type would use a smaller, secondary weapon for sneak attacks and reserve his katana for dueling with a worthy foe in battle or slicing through crowds. But these are just my own personal biases - I'm not lecturing anyone on how to play their game, nor do I consider myself a "superior" type of player. If long swords or katanas or quarterstaffs suit your imagined character, then by all means go ahead and use them! If you want the ultimate backstabbing uber-character, you can do no better than the Celestial Fury wielding halfling with Stone Giant strength! Sometimes it's even more fun to play outside of traditional stereotypes.

 

backstapping is an easy way to kill someone reeeeeaaaaalllll fast with a possible 60damage and with the assasin the possibilities grow even more! iplay as a assasin cause if you piosin your weapon before B.S. you will kill most monsters in 1 hit...