Holy Gunfire Batman!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

... yep, it's happened again. Tragic.

I've just read that in America 84 people are shot to death daily. Surely something has to be done? Whilst ever any Tom, Dick or Harry can buy a gun as easily as buying a loaf of bread, you're going to continue to get this. They NEED to change their gun laws, it's outrageous. 12 people go out at night to have a good time and never return.... just, tragic.

 

Looks like his apartment is a giant Booby-Trap with hi-tech explosives. This goes beyond gun control. This guy looks to have been a walking time bomb that went off. Yikes!

 

The issue IMHO is not gun control so much as a$$h**e control. We allow people to be idiots, we tolerate really reprehensible behavior in the name of tolerance, and then are surprised when these freakshows blow up.

The lax parole laws and such don't help. This is a horrendous tragedy, don't get me wrong. I want this punk punished as brutally as possible. 14 people dead, several of them children? No excuses, no mercy, no mentally unstable pleas. Just get rid of this filth.

 

Really LKD, do you truly believe that? If this guy didnt have access to an assult rifle, shotgun and handguns could he have possibly done this damage? Lets bear in mind that before today this guy was a model member of society, not your regular 'a$$h**e'... as you put it.

 

I know it wouldn't solve the problem, but I defiantly think there should be some sort of psychiatric evaluation required before getting a gun licence.

Obviously this wouldn't stop the crazies from buying illegal guns and i'm sure the evaluation wouldn't catch everyone but I think its a step in the right direction.

Unfortunately any legislation banning the ownership of firearms would never be passed because of the NRA and the second constitutional amendment ("right for the public to bear arms").

A longer waiting period would also help. I'm admittedly no expert on the subject but its my understanding that many states have a waiting period to obtain a gun in order to prevent people from doing something incredibly stupid in the moment. Doesn't stop the premeditated stuff though, which usually turn out to be the worst shootings it seems.

I would love to see private ownership of guns banned in America, but i really don't see it happening. The best we can hope for is that these tragedies will get some more restrictive legislation passed.

 

Running to the law won't help with this kind of problem imo. Do you really think gun laws would actually deter someone who wanted to go on a killing spree?

They say the guy's apartment was loaded with traps, bombs and dangerous chemicals. If he couldn't use guns, he could have simply used those.

 

look, gun controls work - in the UK we have strict gun controls, in 2007 there were 59 firearms related homicides, there will always be illegal gun trades used by organised criminals and gangs, but Joe Bloggs doesnt own 2 hand guns, and assult rifle and a shot gun.

This guy today, would have passed any psychiatric evaluation required to possess his guns, the traps he used were improvised static explosives, totally useless in an offensive sense, it hasnt even been confirmed that these are functional as for safety's purpose they are being destroyed using a controlled method.

as for the 2nd ammendment, didnt it state "the right to bear arms as part of an organised millitia" ? before the supreme court (hmm...) decided that it was unconnected to service with a millitia?

 

The impression I got from the articles and the news was that he had a pretty sophisticated setup in his apartment.

I'm sure gun control works, but like I said this is a different kind of problem. This was some confused, obsessed, possibly psycho loner who was willing to go out of his way to kill people. Considering that he did have those things in his apartment I think we can deduce that although he chose guns, he was willing to consider alternatives.

 

'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.'

I hardly think that this is an invitation to go around killing people. Even if guns were banned, one still can get his hands on some and/or use another means too kill.
For example, he could have steered his car into the queue waiting to get into the cinema.

I hate so see this sad event being used by the anti-gun lobby to start pushing their agenda.

 

I would say it 100% is a gun control issue. If this guy walked into the cinema and shouted 'BANG.. BANG.. BANG' at people, I don't think he'd have claimed 12 lives and injured more somehow. He might have got someone if they had a bit of a dicky heart like, but it's unlikely...

There should be strict background checks and in-depth psychological profiling before you're be able to purchase a gun. Especially in a country with such a history of gun violence like America. And forgive me, America does seem to have its fair share of nut-jobs; no-way should they be allowed anywhere near a gun.

 

I have no problem with background checks and psychological profiling. What I do have a problem with is the idea that taking guns away from Joe Farmer, who has owned those 12 rifles his whole life and never gotten so much as a jaywalking ticket, is going to stop tragedies like this. Such knee-jerk policies will not make us safer.

I find it amusing that people who fight tooth and nail against alcohol prohibition can turn around and advocate gun prohibition. Neither will work. The only effective policies are the ones that focus on the perpetrators or the potential perps (I refer here to education and mental health support for the folks who show clear warning signs.)

 

Did the guy give any sort of reasoning for the shooting yet? I mean its obviously because hes a nutjob but has he tried to justify it at all or anything?

 

Nah after the shooting he just stood there and after he was arrested he decided to tell the police that his apartment was stocked with explosive devices. Police did say that he identified with Batman's archenemy the Joker.

Recently there was an article that a small blast was used to disable a tripwire to around 30 IEDs (improvised explosive devices) in the guys' apartment. Apparently he left with loud music blaring as an attempt to force someone to barge in and trigger the explosives. People were evacuated before that happened. Not much else is known except that bomb teams have been making progress. They're proceeding as carefully as they can to minimize damage to the apartment, so they can gather evidence.

 

Thank god they didn't go off... What is wrong with people.

 

I am fascinated by the intensity of the gun control debate in the USA. I'd love for a very clever psychologist to explain that all to me.

 

Freud should've been born in Antarctica or something.

 

massacre couldn't take place without guns, now people are in a panic and racing out to buy more guns http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gun-sales-soar-in-colorado-in-wake-of-cinema-killings-7973439.html, to protect themselves from other people with guns...