Edwin

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How do i get this guy? i did the quest for maevar then i went up and got edwins quest to kill the mage in the tower which i found IMPOSSIBLE! is there any other way to complete this to get the powerful freak mage in my party?

 

As far as I know there is no other way, since his joining happens story-related (dont wanna minor spoil you there ). There are two ways of killing this mage which worked pretty good for me; The easy one is just to skip this "we gonna kil you" dialogue and just send a thief up the stairs and backstab him, the other option is fighting him with some breach spells and good close combat guys. hth & good luck

 

There are 2 protection from magic scrolls in the game that I know of, I used one on this guy, and the other on the demilich. My cavalier kicked their asses

 

Casting breach and dispell magic at him straight away, then proceeding to use cold steel on him worked fine for me
But then mages are more powerful and more useful in BG2, especially with all those lovely new spells

 

What is the big deal about Edwin anyhow?

1. He has few hitpoints so if you are ambushed he dies!

2. He is a sarcastic little prig!

3. He has poor taste in jewellery!!!

Why do people do doooolally about him....he sucks...Jan is the man!!!!

[This message has been edited by Chelsea (edited November 05, 2000).]

 

I managed to kill him today, the biggest problem I had was getting past the two stone golems (am I the only one who has difficulty killing these things?)

Once i met the wizard, I cast swarm on him using Jahera and after that it was plain sailing with my front line attackers.

So, is it worth me getting rid of nalia or aerie to replace him with Edwin?

 

The only 'BIG DEAL' about Edwin that i've found is his INTELLIGENCE. It's an 18. Nalia, Aerie and Imoen do not have 18 Intelligence. Yes, he's an ass in every way when it comes to his personality. But if you want a MAGE that can actually get higher amounts of spells in his spell book, decent lore ability, better chance to 'scribe' spells and bonus spells to memorize as well -all the way up to 9th Level Mage spells, Edwin is the NPC for this.

In some AD&D rules the Intelligence is also a factor in higher amounts of damage by the spellcaster. ALTHOUGH I do not know if BG2 has this incorporated into it's factors for spellcaster damage.

Also if you have an 'Evil' party he fits right on 'in' with the 'darkside' of the force...

 

Yep, Edwin's a good mage, i'd probably drop Aerie for him if i was at that point again, her whining is starting to annoy me, even if i think a cleric/mage is useful.

 

I believe you could sail through the game with your main character as an Evil fighter, Viconia, Yoshimio and Edwin.
Add Aerie, Imoen and Jan's magical abilities up and you don't even get close to Edwin's power. Guess that's the disadvantage of a 'Good' Party

 

I don't really use my mages as offensive fighting machines though, the only offensive spell i use is magic missile usually for it's spell casting disruption advantages. The mages use spells to enhance my party and disrupt enemy attacks, like resiliant sphere. And of course summoning spells.
So for that style of party you don't really need too good a mage hence Nalia and Aerie, both dual/multi calss mages are useful to me. Especially as one has the divine spells too .

 

Of course the other big advantage with Edwin(a) is the fact that he's ONLY a mage. Jan and Aerie are great, but will level out too early for my tastes. And Nalia's simply too whiny for me and her thief skills too poor. There are advantages to having dedicated characters...

 

hmm, an easy way to beat that mage is to make him follow you up and down the building. Just make sure you leave the level you're on before he can actually cast his spells. This way he'll spill them all on thin air, and eventually his protection will fade too. He's dead meat then

And Edwin.. -or should I say Edwina ? - he's simply the best. I believe he has 8 level 1 to 5 spells when he's level 12... that pretty much rocks, doesn't it ?

Ah well, just my 2 cents... good to be back, good to see all those new faces around

 

Why the heck did they skimp on the good character's abilities, anyway? They should have balanced the distribution of talent better! Well I guess one can create the helm of opposite alignment on the console, or something, but you should not have to do that.

 

What ARE you all whining about so called bad stats for the do-gooders ? All the fighter's stats are just what they should be (if you give Keldorn Gaunts of Dex), Anomen's Wisdom turns out just fine if you have a bit of patience. The others are good too, so what's the problem ? It's not because your own character has at least two 18's that regular, NORMAL AD&D-characters have such awesome stats, au contraire, I don't think you'll find many people with those ability-scores.

Geesh folks, there are many good do-gooders, and a bit less evil ones, who have slighlty better stats. Doesn't that more or less equalizes both alignments ?

Just my thoughts...

 

great party for evil game-

1. Main character (fighter type)
2. Edwin
3. viconia
4. yoshimo
5. Haer'Dalis (my favorite)
6. Korgan

dont get down to 1 reputation point or yoshimo and haer dalis will abandon you, Doh!

 

Just curious, how long can you survive with a 1 reputation point? Everyone and their aunt must be after you! What bugs me more than the 'bad stats' for good characters, is wha did they made Nalia stop as a thief at such a low level? I mean why bother making her a thief at all! As a mage, she'd still be able to sneak out of the keep to go do her charity work, with the knock spell, invisibility, etc.!

 

Hey there Lord Bane, I realize as well many are comparing their primary character with the NPC's. Not the case with my earlier post.

However if a NPC has a high stat that is in line with the NPC's Class then they are more 'useful' in that Class. As if you had the choice between a Fighter with 15 STR and one with 18/percentile strength. The one who's stat 'execls' in line with their own Class is the better choice if you are LOOKING for that depth in a CLASS.

Agreed there are Gauntlets of Dex & Ogre Power, Belts of Giant Strength but what in the game is there for WISDOM or INTELLIGENCE of 18? Or Higher?(other than the temp effects of a potion...)

So 'right from the start' a NPC without any 'magic item upgrades' the EVIL characters have better CLASS stats. Also lets not forget the most enjoyed charater on every BG2 website is... MINSC! He's still my favorite as well. A 'do-gooder' Ranger.... with BAD Dexterity.

 

yes, of course, you're right.

I'm not saying that the do-gooders are better then the evil ones, I'm just saying that the evil chars are excellent, while the goods are "barely" very good.

 

Draco, just my opinion.

you can do steroids, wear girdles or gauntlets that make you feel as strong as a fire giant or whatever...but i think you have to EARN your intelligence and your wisdom in FR just like you do in our world.
you cant get smarter, or wiser, just by slapping on a bracelet.

 

Hmm, ok. I can recognize your case and still disagree. But let's just deal with RPG fantasy worlds... because everything in our real world is WAY too subjective when it comes to what is real Intelligence & real Wisdom.

In BG1 there are Tomes that give Wisdom, Intelligence, Dexterity, Strength, Constitution and Charisma. 'Poof' instant increase. Right there on the spot.

In BG2 there are potions that 'magically' increase Intelligence and Wisdom, how do you view this? I could have a wisdom of a piece of 'tree bark' and drink a potion of Insight and 'Poof'- instant 18 Wisdom. Or a potion of 'Genius' or 'Mind Focusing' and 'Poof', instant increase. And there are actual magic items in the AD&D world that do give bonuses to those abilities. They just are not found here in BG2. Therefore we have to be 'selective' if we want the best Mage available or the best Cleric available, ability-wise that is.

Of course this is all a 'Fantasy' game so it can easily be corrected by code/editors and the like! (unlike the real world...)