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Are there any other good bg2 sites?

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by The_Raven, Apr 29, 2001.

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    My fave.....(sorry) - Ironworks.

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    Jea, I stick to Ironworks too. The walkthrough is sometimes incorrect, thought.
     
  4. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    [​IMG] There's just one rule about what NOT to post here... And that's even a MENTION of Ironworks, which I abhor. I will not list the reasons here again, but if you're curious, you can run a search for the word in Whatnots. All links to it have been removed from this topic.
     
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    Very sad imho, particularly for a DISCUSSION forum. No, unfortunately I couldn't find any reasons behind this unwritten rule within the search facility.

    I did note that you stated in one thread that you wasn't scared of competition. I take it you wish to revoke that comment?
     
  6. Taluntain

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    My bad, the reasons were not discussed in any posts in Whatnots, but in this one http://www.sorcerers.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000567.html in the BG2 forum. Read it and weep.

    I don't consider Ironworks to be a competition because I completely ignore it, and they are more than happy to return the favor. In case you haven't noticed, they're probably the only site that doesn't link to us anywhere.

    And I think we've done enough promotion for them for another year at least, so unless you have any other sites worth mentioning (btw, a list of all I consider good can be found in our Related Links section at http://www.sorcerers.net/Community/Links/index.php), don't bother to post it.

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    Read it and weep....err why? You have obviously confused me with someone that actually gives a fuck.
    Read it and be informed maybe would be slightly more polite. As I said..sad. But not in a fashion that would make me cry.

    "so unless you have any other sites worth mentioning (btw, a list of all I consider good can be found in our Related Links section at http://www.sorcerers.net/Community/Links/index.php don't bother to post it".

    Unfortunately without your written list as a bible it's going to be pretty difficult to know what's "worth mentioning" and what's not. As you evidently don't like this kind of discussion on your discussion boards you may be as wise to pull all posts of this nature from the off in future. Or should we take it that if it's not in your links page that it will be removed as a matter of course?

    If you have suffered plaigirism from another site then I feel for you, I truly do. But please don't take a snot nosed brat type attitude with me because you've had arguments with another site that I couldn't possibly be aware of. You also sent the original search off in the wrong direction.

    (Oddly enough I got to this site originally by being linked from there.)

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    [​IMG] Well you bother to type an awful lot of text on a matter you "don't give a fuck about".

    I gave out the Related Links list as a reference, I can recommend those sites because I know they are good. As far as I'm concerned, mention any other site as long as it's not Ironworks. Anyway, I thought I made myself clear about this, maybe I should use smaller words you can understand?

    And sorry, if anyone's taking a snot nosed brat attitude here it's you. Who the hell do you think you are, acting like you own the place? Last time I checked, I was in charge, and if I make a post about something like that, you can be damn sure I have good reasons for it. I don't know if that lofty attitude of yours works for you anywhere else, but it definitely won't work here.

    And again, I explained about the arguments before you started to make a mess out of it.

    Lastly, the only way you could have been linked to us from Ironworks is via their message boards, which they obviously don't monitor like we do ours. If they did, you can be pretty sure they'd remove those links too. Last time I checked, there was not a single link anywhere else on the site.
     
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    ROTFLMAO

    Yep, from their boards. And one of their moderators also posts here.

    Last time I checked....no competition.....I ignore....dear oh dear oh dear.

    A youngster obviously.
     
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    Cruisin' for a bruisin' there chief...

    Lesson #1: Don't fuck with the boss.
    Lesson #2: You're not the boss.
    Lesson #3: The boss doesn't need you, or your attitude. It's his board and we like it just the way it is.

    Damn I hate to let material like this pass me by...

    I'll come back in a day or so and see if its time to whip up a batch for ol' times sake... :D

    Amon-Ra
     
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    www.bgdungeon.com is a pretty good site. It also has everything and more about IceWind Dale, Never Winter Nights, BG1, Planescape Torment etc.
     
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    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    Big Bad Bert, keep going. Let everyone know you have the guts to mouth back to me. Lol, good thing you can at least write in good English, otherwise I'd boot you off the boards already. But hey, if this is how you get your kicks, be my guest.
    We aim to please. Even for pricks such as yourself. :rolleyes:
     
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    Wow, I guess The_Raven didn't know what he was jumping into by posting that question.

    Kind of like the time I asked a girl I was dating if there were any other pretty girls in her sorority ( :eek: :rolleyes: )

    Bad form chap!

    To confess . . . I have looked at a few other sites, but have never posted - so it's not considered cheating! I'm faithful to Sorcerers 'til the end (awwwwwwwww)

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    [​IMG] Oh dear 'Big Bad' Bert a needless confrontation with the master of this site (and don't forget he has two moderators backing him up)... As an objective bystander the only power gamer brat in that heated dialogue was you my friend... you are represented here only by the words you write

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    Amon-Ra

    Cruisin for a bruising....don't make me laugh Sonny. I take it you are the self proclaimed mouthpiece of the people, I don't see your name as a moderator.

    "Don't fuck with the boss". Are you trying to say "Don't challenge the moderator or he may get upset and weep? Sorry but I don't think I've anything to learn from that poorly thought out lesson. But if you're a sheep you're a sheep....you just follow on blindly Amon-Ra.

    "You're not the boss". I've never said, written or implied that I was. I would suggest a reading lesson for yourself prior to attempting to educate others.

    "The boss doesn't need you or your attitude". This may come as a shock to you but I neither need nor require this site. Nor have I suggested that this site needs me. Again, nothing to learn there.

    I'll come back in a day or so and see if its time to whip up a batch for ol' times sake... Hey, if you want to come back and whip up a batch/bang one off then please be my guest. Your self pleasuring antics are of no concern to me. :)

    Taluntain.

    As soon as intelligence and ready wit are beyond your capability......resort to calling your opponent a prick....works every time. If that fails then boot the fucker off the boards and hope no-one notices your lack of intellectual ammunition.

    Parvini.
    You are so correct, this was a needless confrontation. I was completely happy to read Taluntains objections regarding the mentioning of another site. I am totally against plagiarism in all its forms. Had I been directed to the explanatory thread in a civil, adult manner then this matter would have ended there.

    Unfortunately when I am confronted with the provocative comment "read it and weep" (the kind of comment I would expect from a 12 year old snot nosed brat) then I will retaliate. There was never any cause (particularly from a moderator) to use such an aggresive tone to someone posing a legitimate question.

    B.B.B (AKA Charlie)
     
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    [​IMG] hmmm for someone who has no need for this site u sure can write long immature posts!
     
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    [​IMG] ROTFL!! This is great!

    Amon Ra, welcome back! It's nice to find you using your particular talents to bust people down again! lol!

    Bert, obviously you haven't been paying attention. While you claim to be an adult, you are driven to a confrontation by a simple sarcastic remark? I've seen 5 year olds brush off worse insults with a laugh. Try again. You say you don't care, then as Kit asks, why are you still here? You obviously feel the need to expound your foolishness, but don't you realize that no one cares? lol!! It's simpy amusing for us all to keep encouraging you... (although I suppose I'm ruining the joke by letting you in on it. Sorry, Amon! ;) )

    BBB, If you can understand that people are hurt by plagiarism, then certainly you can understand why Tal has little patience for the subject. As the owner/creator of this site, (not simply moderator) he has every right to be offended by links to the thief. He DID direct you to the reasons why, and continued on to direct you to some links that he thinks are worthwhile. Isn't that what the post was about? No one suggested you use it as a bible, and you are welcome to add your own opinions.

    Heh... If you still cared, which obviously you don't or you wouldn't still be posting here. Oh... wait... LOL!!

    Oh, and one more thing... When you said: I neither need nor require this site. I do believe you were a bit redundant, since last time I checked, need and require are synonyms. :p

    Mathetais!! :D Good one!! ROTFL!!
     
  19. Taluntain

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    [​IMG] BBB, you know what... I won't bother replying to anything from you anymore. I've wasted way too much of my valuable time with you already. Just a few final notes... (And oh, PLEASE don't reply to this too, because if you do I will manifest all my lack of "intellectual ammunition" and "intelligence and ready wit" and merrily ban you off these boards.)
    In a couple extreme cases we've had thus far, this turned out to be the only language the offender understands. Since June 2000, I have banned 3 (three) people from these boards. You are the next candidate. You should be proud, it's not every day (unlike you seem to believe), that this "honour" is bestowed upon our visitors.

    Did anyone ask you to come here?
    No.
    Did anyone FORCE you to come here?
    No.
    Did anyone say you must agree with everything I say?
    No. But if you don't, don't try so hard to include those mockingly sarcastic remarks and that stupid patronizing tone of yours in each post. It really pisses me off. We (moderators) treat everyone here the same, and we actually ARE above them. If only by status.
    You, however, as Amon-Ra correctly pointed out, are nothing but a disturbing element. Sorry if you are having trouble grasping that simple fact, but that's how it is. I don't know where those delusions of grandeur you have are coming from. Am I missing something here? Are you actually someone so important that I should treat you unlike everyone else here?
    Frankly, I don't think so, so don't count on it. As for calling you a prick, I prefer frontal insults than those subtle ones you use. It saves time and gets right to the fact.

    Oh and finally, the phrase "read it an weep" was pulled so much out of context that it really amuses me. I have only added it as a casual remark without any real intent and you manage to make it into a feature for the night...

    P.S.

    ""The boss doesn't need you or your attitude". This may come as a shock to you but I neither need nor require this site. Nor have I suggested that this site needs me. Again, nothing to learn there."

    So what exactly are you still doing here? Wasting more of my time? Get lost already, you are obviously too good for the likes of me!

    P.P.S.

    Welcome back Amon-Ra, right on time, too. ;)

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    Alright then. My precursor:
    IF ANYONE DOESN'T READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE, I WILL PERSONALLY TAKE VENGEANCE FOR YOUR LACK OF RESPECT FOR MY INSANELY LONG POSTS!
    1: Self-proclaimed mouthpiece- Absolutely not. Though neither my posting rate, nor my devotion can garner me the status of moderator (though in this case, what respect would that grant?), I would be as bold as to say that I have earned a reputation here for repudiating unnecessary attacks to this board. (see above posts by 2 moderators, and I'm sure BTA is just laggin'. :D)

    2: Boss- If you feel you do not need this board, then I do not expect a reply. That would mean you are intrigued or interested in defending yourself and your position here. Otherwise, we shall grieve our loss over time.

    3: Self-pleasing- I have every intention of pleasing myself. Unfortunately I am busy writing this damnedable reply. :p

    The basis of this is very simple: Everyone here wants a collective community that can function without confrontation. I do not wish, as it has been my past inclination to do, to simply herein harass Bert. To do so would be unjust and rather I'd like to look at it, if at all possible, from an objective point of view. (*turns to crowd) Sorry to disappoint, but he does make a few points I strongly believe in, and thus must afford him at least a rational argument.

    Unfortunately for the moderators of this board and the intellectual community herein, unnecessary confrontation has fraught many topics, compounded further by misunderstandings of perspective or position. As every person coming to these boards is most likely of above-average intellect, there is an unfortunate risk for competing egos. You, sir Bert, have provided a great deleterious source to this board by confronting those who ever-so-generously devote themselves to providing the board you don't need or don't care about. Taluntain has on repeated occasion proven himself to be a just and very nice moderator, with these boards a testament to his, and others', work. I do not begrudge them then the power that they are provided for their work. They have every right to regulate as they see fit, and despite anyone's defiant or zealous diminishing remarks, will continue to thrive in a great community. The individual, however, as you are yourself, do not have a right to be here. It is a priviledge they often thanklessly provide.

    Do not expect understanding when you attack them in spite of this basis in regards to posting competition. Posting competing boards has oft been a bad touch, as it very much implies that the current are not sufficient. Whether true or not, (in this case most certainly not) such a comment is an affront to those who work diligently to maintain this board. And yet, Tal, to encourage the prosperity and overall beneficial ambience of this community allows the posting of any board with the exception of Ironworks. Such a wish should be respected, and the reason quite clear, if not historically researchable.

    Now, in accordance with Rousseau's Social Contract, such a confrontation as this is both irrational and solely negative, as it is an example of an individual or individuals harming the community of which they are a part. So then, the best form for both parties is to remove the facade that either side is exclusively correct or righteous and admit fervently that this confrontation stemmed from a misunderstanding of connotation and a resettling of feelings in regard to something that clearly is a strong subject with our fair Tal.

    I say, for now, that Bert has every right to voice his opinion here upon these boards. This is, afterall, or at least should be, an open forum for discussion. I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. However, Bert, you must surely realize that a belligerant tone will not be well received, no matter how much you feel it justified. You, sir, are a guest here, a member of a growing populace, and if you wish to be heard, I suggest you make an attempt to resolve matters in a less offensive way. Showing respect is advisable herein as to not aggravate the people who spend their time to maintain this community. In concordance, Taluntain, as owner and operator has every right to expel you without providing any reason as to why, though the reasons are somewhat apparent. If such does happen, I'm sorry Bert, but you picked a fight with someone who has infinitely more power here than you. You cannot take the path of the zealous martyr here, you were wrong to excite this non-sensical argument which should rightfully have been settled within the first inklings of misconception.

    Please excuse my apparent dues ex machina, I simply wish to put forth my observations. As I am clearly a simple sheep, I shall return to my grazing... FEAR THE SHEEP, THEY COME EN MASS AND WITH ONLY THE WARNING OF SUPERSONIC BLEATING!

    Amon-Ra

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