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I created a new F/M/T choosing Long Swords and Crossbows as my weapons.

Question #1: What crossbow should I end the game with? Do any of them with high damage and THAC0 bonuses compare to the extra attack from the light crossbow of speed?

Question #2: What kind of spells do you mainly use as a F/M/T? I've so far been using spells that agument my thieving and fighting abilities, like haste, stoneskin, invisibilty, and ghoul touch.

 

1) I checked some crossbows and the light CB of Speed is a very nice one.
In Ust'natha you can use a drow crossbow of speed (+3). Heavy Crossbow of Searing is gives 2 fire-damage but has a terrible speedfactor (9) and you need 12 in Strength. Necaradan's Crossbow +3 has a speedfactor 2. Adalon gives it to you after returning her eggs, but I can't remember I have it....

2) Backstabbing is nice, but you already know that. If you like melee, use the spells you mentioned. If you'd like to use your bow, use greater malison and the bolts of biting/lightning. and something like web. I like to make my opponents weak and immobile.

 

Rearrange if you can your F/M/T - drop crossbows.

I've already posted there are no good enough bolts in SoA, especially not for F/M/T.
Get bows or sling.

 

I've already decided to go for Crossbows, I want to try something different for a change even if it's not the most powerful. Imoen can use Short Bows, Jaheria Slings, and Valygar Long Bows. Question is will an extra attack always be better than having higher damage? IIRC the best arrows are +2, same with bolts, what's so bad about bolts then?

 

Geez...

You don't have Xbows that fire "imbued" enchanted bolts (Tansheron's Bow fires arrows +3, Short Bow of Gesen fires arrows +4) and there are no bolts with area damage like Arrows of Detonation. Ok?

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited January 28, 2002).]

 

Giant Hair Crossbow is the best. Crossbow is better than bows because some magic bolts are powerfu, the Crossbows are also slightly more powerful with Giant Hair Crossbow at +5 damage and +3 Thac0, and the Strong Arm at +3 damage and +3 Thac0. But you don't just find lightning bolts and arrows of piercing, so for a normal party I would probably do a combination. For soloing, both should be fine, although arrows are more handy with faster firing rate and more accuracy with the Heart Seeker. If you are playing with a crossbow make sure you dump all your stuff before going to the underdark, and get all kua-toa bolts.

 

Ok, tell me when it is so advanced weapon, which crossbow should I use against Kangaxx? Or perhaps against Golems immune to +2 and less enchanted weapons?

If you find me at least one that hurts those, I'll die horribly.

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited January 28, 2002).]

 

You use bows against Kangaxx? You only need +2 weapons to hit normal golems, as for adamanite golems you do 1 d with Geasan's bow. Yes you could trap them, but you just get bows for those purposes. The numbers show that Crossbows does more d. And wait a minute, small bows and big bows are not in the same class!

 

Mister, I asked for CrossBows.

Not for bows, not for slings, and definetly not for traps. Also I specifically mentioned "golems immune to +2 weapons".

The amount of Crossbows' damage? On Kangaxx? Tell me, is it 10, 20, 30 or perhaps - more?

 

lol, extremist if they wanna use crosbows let them. They'll find out someone else has to do the fighting, but by that time there is no going back. "Evil laugh"

 

Ha Ha Ha, very funny. I see you holding you bow sideways. (Hilarious Laugh)

 

Xbows don't have any good bolts. Or xbows themselves. The best Xbow is a heavy one which is just like the weakest bow. Besides, fighters use bows and thieves can use xbows but only light ones which stink.

 

IMO the coolest weapon of all are darts 3 attacks per round, ridiculously low dart damage but wonderful poison damage with darts of wounding - as if made for assassins (and thiefs in general) unfortunately range is a little short

But back to topic: IMO the number of attack is more important - even for crossbows that offer higher damage per shot than bows. I partly disagree with Extremist: There is quite a number of bolts in the game - especially in the underdark. But he's perfectly right when he sais that many of them (drow stuff excluded) lack enchantment - which is probably more important than high bolt damage alone.
And, though I haven't checked that for an FMT, I think that an additional bolt offers a better damage than one attack less with a stronger crossbow - I'd take the light crossbow of speed - escpecially for one reason: As a tri-classed char you'll level up slowly. It will take a while till you get a useful number of attacks with your crossbow.

I'd recommend to use either darts or bows/ shortbows or - since you want to go for crossbows - the light crossbow of speed.

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited January 29, 2002).]

 

Thanks for answering my question Ragusa, I believe you're the first one . See, I like crossbows more for this character as I can only get 1 or 2 shots off in between spells, so the damage is more important to me than higher number of attacks, as I'm usually casting invisiblity to backstab, magic missle, and skulltrap, and that's what really does the most damage anyway, the crossbow is just something to use in between the pause period in spells.

Also, I don't understand this big paranoia about the weapon being ineffective against kangaxx...after all he's only ONE monster in the entire game, and there are many other ways to deal with him than by using Gensen's bow. As for golems, they're not that hard, most usually fall to a few lower resistances and skulltrap .

So Kudos to all of you out there who don't use little Nancy Bows because you can't deal with a big bad golem!

 

I don't get all this fuss about Kangaxx - the only weapon I need to kill him is flamethongue ... +4 *enchantment* vs undead ... wonderful weapon vs undead - when you have Namarra as your second sword and maybe a blunt weapon (like the Flail of the Ages) you won't have any problems till Sundanessalar.

 

I just love the way the lightning hits when mages are protected by stoneskin

[This message has been edited by StressedE (edited January 30, 2002).]

 

There's the Heavy Crossbw of Accuracy from the Unseeing Eye quest. I think it has +7 to THAC0, and some addittional damage whic I can't remember that well.
My Assassin uses a crossbow... It somehow suits her style more than a short bow...

Ara
(Back hurts. Head hurts. Life hurts. CD-drive wrecked. AAARGGGHHH!)

 

Ragusa, he won't be able to wield the Fthongue effectively like you do. Classes/thac0, remember your tables?

And Lord Sarevok, you got many answers, not only Ragusa's. But obviously, you see the answer ONLY if you agree with it.
Besides, if you look more detailed, Ragusa mentioned no spells in his answers - and you asked for that too.

Yes, Kangaxx is the only one of a kind, golems are maybe big and bad to you while using Xbows and to noone else who won't use Xbows.
But those are just EXAMPLES. There are numbers of enemies resistant to +2 and less weapons, so please, be reasonable.

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited January 30, 2002).]

 

Nope Extremist, I asked if the high damage from some other crossbows with higher damage would be better than the extra attack from the light crossbow of speed. Nowhere did I ask if crossbows were good to use or anything similar. Of course, you can add what you want, but the question will remain unanwered, no?

 

I thought that it was so obvious and answer is irrelevant, but...
Spot the THAC0 bonuses on Xbows. Whatever the damage is - low or high, if the weapon has lower THAC0 bonus, that means it hits the enemy less times than the weapon with better bonus. The bonus attack multiplies THAC0 by 2 - in case of light Xbow of speed, you in fact have the THAC0 bonus +2 when you compare it to a "regular" Xbow.
Note that the average damagebonus stays as it is!
So, you have Xbow: THAC0+2, damage+1 and Speed 3.

Let's multiply that with 2:
THAC0+4, damage+2 and speed 6.

And on the other side you have Heavy Xbow of accuracy with:
THAC0+5, damage+2 and speed 7.

You answer now - which one is better?