*spoiler* why I hate Yoshimo

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... Ok i lied I think he is the coolest NPC I have..... or had.... why did he have to be bad! I hate that so much... I was so happy... Now i go have to get stupid Imoen.... I hate imoen... she wasnt even invited she just showed up aftet gorion died.... stupid old man....

 

Hey man! Yoshimo sucks. He's a dirty, rotten, good-for-nuthin' traitor and I almost didn't take his black, black heart to the temple because he helped the evil dude! As if he didn't have a choice. He could've said no! You can always say no! And besides, Imoen is better than him! She can cast spells and find traps. If you've got Minsc or Valygar, they can do the scoutin'. So don't trash talk Imoen, she's a good NPC.

 

Yoshi had to help Irenicus because he'll die if he don't! Would you betray a guy you hardly know if you'll die otherwise? Thought so.

 

Yoshimo had a "gees" cast on him.

The spell requires the person it is cast on to perform whatever tasks are asked by the wizard or face a very painful, horrifying death.

It is sort of a "magical contract". The wizard will pay the recipient somehow in return for their services, but require absolute loyalty - even if it is not genuine.

In the case of Yoshimo, he entered into the contract with Irenicus before realizing the depth of the shattered-one's madness.

In the end, he had no choice. He could die by your hand or by violating the spell. Death at your hand was, by far, the best alternative.

[It's spelled geas.] -Tal

[ October 02, 2002, 23:04: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

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Hey man! Yoshimo sucks. He's a dirty, rotten, good-for-nuthin' traitor
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Not necessarily. He was loyal to the end. I thought he was actually very dedicated. He promised Irenicus his services and even signed a contract. After all, he witnessed Irenicus' evil and made a friendship with you. But in the end, a deal was a deal to him, something he could never violate. Its amazing he's not lawful neutral. Now you all can beat me up.

 

Well, it is good that you didn't have it spoiled for you a least. Think of it like this, hating him is one of the best experiences in the game because it means that you are enjoying the game.

 

What happens if you say no or kick him out of your party? Does he still act all sentimental?

 

You can keep Yoshimo if you kick him out before spellhold and then take him back after you completed it.

 

Hey, stop attacking my favorite NPC! Yoshimo was loyal to the end. Anyway - you should probably take the time to watch "Ghost Dog - the Way of the Samurai" to get more insight

 

IIRC, you can send Yoshimo back to the Copper Coronet before heading to Spellhold. When you later return to the Copper Coronet as soon as you enter the tavern, Yoshimo explodes.

Not that he doesn't deserve it...

 

Yoshimo is one of the best NPCs in BG2 - besides Jan.

[ October 16, 2002, 21:36: Message edited by: Blackhawk ]

 

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He's a dirty, rotten, good-for-nuthin' traitor and I almost didn't take his black, black heart to the temple because he helped the evil dude! As if he didn't have a choice. He could've said no! You can always say no!
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You haven't been around the wonderful world of rpg's long have you vorpal? The story line is made so that he HAS to obey Jonoleth. The Gease cast on him says so. The idea of games like BG2 is to roleplay. You dont have to be good. its wonderful being evil. Attack random people if you want. Its fun, but reload is a handy option.

Frank, if you REALLY want Yoshimo in your party, next time, dont speak to him when you leave to go to spellhold. Youll have to go through the underdark without him, but youll have him for watchers keep and the elven city IF you do this.

Go through to the slums and save outside the CC. Then, walk in and pause it immediately. Talk to yoshimo and say, "welcome home, baby." He will then explode. Go to a temple and say "hes dead. Fix him" and you shall have yoshimo.

 

Actually , on the contrary. I've been around RPG's alot. I've beat the original BG over 20 times. I soloed it 3 times. Twice wit the XP cap removed, once with it on. I know what a geas is from Lothander and Yoshimo. The reason I said "he could always say no", is because he could've. He devoloped a friendship with me, and betraying a friend is a fate worse than death

 

Jonaleth cast the geas on Yoshimo. There was no choice, once the spell was cast, either he helps Irenicus or dies. And, I don't mean goes to an afterlife thing, it's more like oof:, gone!

 

It's a shame they didn't get Yoshimo to follow you to Spellhold, rather than just stay in the Copper Coronet; he could even pop up and help you get in if there were any problems.

 

OK, so I wasn't able to find a quote in the PHB or tome of magic about geas but I assure you, it is a giddamn horrible spell.
He had no choice, it was either a painful death or die by your hand and hope you show mercy and free his heart.

OK, I found it:

[ October 18, 2002, 14:08: Message edited by: Aikanaro ]

 

i always thought he was a decent guy, i mean, it was kinda hard for him to attack you, and he did give decent advice at times, but i mean, its not like it was really hard to take him out...sheesh... i think its just a good way to clear a spot for another party member: Imoen. Hell, the fact you have a Bro/Sis power team going on is pretty cool...

 

yoshimo was a good character, for want of another decent thief. otherwise, we had to make do with nalia (useless as thief, mediocre mage), imoen (just plain bad) and jan (for me, less than useless).

As to his betrayal, a nice twist to the story for the first time.

really, grow up: get over it.
play the game again, take joshimo or not, and dont get your breeches in a bunch ( tiax: my fave mad mage ... well, mebbe dradeel: "you have the stench of golodon the unmanned! bastard!" )

 

For quite some times through the game he served as a standard equipment at adventuring
I used him as a thief( ) and archer. Nothing more. No backstabbing, nothing He was boring but i didnt want to be without thief and thought Jan being weak as a thief at that time (foolish me )

Nowadays i never use Yoshimo anymore. He is as good as Jan-(even better with custom items) and his 100% on move silently is really a waste. + He leaves you on the middle of the game-he does repay with 200.000xp when you clean his heart

Jan rocks