a REAL +5 THACO

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the equalizer is really adding 5 to Minsc's thaco.
He's going from a -1 to a +4!

WTF???

 

Hmm, difficult question, I´d need more informations.
What about his weapon-style specialisations? Is he specialised in single-/ two-handed weapon style? Is he dualwielding the Equalizer with some other weapons?

 

And a question of my own, close to the topic:

(a) You can use bastardswords either single-handed or two handed. What effect does weapon style speicialisation has on this? Do you get both the single-handed and/ or the two-handed weapon style? Do they addc if you are specialised in both styles?

(b) If you specialise in single-weapon-style AND sword-and-shield style and use shield and sword (ignoring sword-proficiency itself). Dou you get the boni of both styles? Do you get the boni for the style you chose last?
I know that you loose the single-weapon AC bonus then.

 

I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine they wouldn't let you have accumulative bonuses for varying weapon proficiencies, only recieving the bonuses for whatever requirements you meet at a time. However, after reading about the lack of consistency these games have with true AD&D rules, you may have found a loophole.

 

Minsc is level 17
1 slot in long swords
2 in 2 weapon
0 in sword and shield

using the Eq and a shield (experimenting), I just saw him go four rounds in a row without getting a hit.

 

TWTG:
Yep, some of the rules are like swiss cheese. Take single-weapon style for example: Give your char a single weapon in the off hand - he won´t get an AC-bonus or improved initiative. To the contrary: he´ll get the usual (if your non-porficient in dualwielding) malus although he´s using a single weapon - lefthanded

Toast:
Usually you won´t get any mali if you aren´t specialised in sword-and-shield style, you just won´t get the boni.

Possibly it´s that: The Equalizer is a bastardsword. With Minsc beeing non-proficient in bastardswords he will get the typical non-proficient-malus when using a weapon he isn´t used to fight with

 

Umm I seem to recall that the Equalizer is a Long Sword. However it's a bogus weapon in that it is "treated as a +3 to hit" weapon in that it can hit a creature that needs a +3 or better weapon to hit.

You only get true "plus" bonuses the further the enemy's alignment is away from True Neutral. So someone could be Chaotic Evil and you would still only get true +3 to hit with this weapon.

 

All right Draco, Shadowkeeper told me that you´re right: It´s a longsword %§&#!
However, I was so sure it was a bastardsword....

 

I only tried using this weapon during a game vs the Bohdi Lair. It was weak. That's why I recalled that it was a Long Sword.

I believe toast may notice the MAJOR swing from -1 THACO to 4 THACO due to Minsc using Lilacor prior to him weilding the Jokequalizer? Only because that would effectively show the numeric disparity.

 

Don't talk bad about EQ. I'm happy for any weapon, that my thief/mages can use that's better than a stick or dagger.
There are so many good swords only fighters can use, so leave the simple short and long swords for the needy .

 

Well, if your Mage is swingin a sword these days... well good luck to him! My main dislike for the JokEqualizer stems from the time consumed to find the pieces and the cost to put it together. Only to find that it is a +3 weapon by the time you get to Chap 6. A +3 weapon? I can get ahold of one of those in Chap 2. By the time Chap 6 rolls around your Thief or Mage can be weilding a +4 Cuthroat Short Sword or a +5 Staff of the Magi (+4 Staff or Rynn can be purchased at anytime). But of course, use whatever items that fit your party. I'm only drawing attention to the limitations of this weapon (not a true "+" to hit normally) and the amount of questing involved with acquiring it.

I only wish the Silver Blade was a long sword!!! That would be a 'rockin' combination with another weapon.

 

I have 4 mages in my party (+one cleric/druid + 1 fighter/ranger/bard). The staff of Rynn (bloody expensive; I go to help Imoen as soon as I got the money) is reserved for the pure mage (he's the one with the most limited spectrum).
The mage/thieves (Nalia & Imoen) + second mage have to wield something too.

At the end of the game everything is easier, you are flooded with weapons (though boots robes and capes are still somewhat rare).
But on the way, I am very happy about every weapon I can distribute to my party (most can't be wielded sfor one or the other reason).

[This message has been edited by Sorl (edited January 30, 2001).]

 

The reason it shows a weaker THAC0 is that it has a differnet THAC0 against different alignments. Therefore it shows as if the weapon was a normal weapon(since it give +0/0 against true neutral characters) but since most of the enemies you meet are evil it is a potent weapon indeed, and the best long sword, except for Black Razor( but this really doesn't counbt, since you get it so late)

 

I was a bit confused about bastardswords myself, with that description of being cross between a long sword and two handed sword. Then I've realised there's the actual proficiency of Bastard Sword, so I guess the long sword and two handed sword proficiencis don't count at all when wielding the bastard one. Not that this is particularly important, considering there are no good bastard swords in the game anyway.

 

Only problem with that sword was that it required an evil character to use it. (At least I think that's the sword, I could be wrong. The sword I'm talking about is the one you get from the crazy guy in the window trap thingy in the underdark)

[This message has been edited by Cerryl (edited January 31, 2001).]

 

There is a restriction, but it's not evil only. The restriction is that it can't be used by good aligned characters. Sort of what I said before but inverted to a single class.