Abortion - Views?

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What are peoples views on abortion? Should it be legal or illegal?

 

I'm in the legal camp. I live by the simple philosphy that I do not like it when others tell me what to do, therefore I have no right to tell them what to do.

That being said I believe life begins at birth and until then it is the woman's choice as to what to do.

The entire problem with abortion is timing. Most people would agree that the day after conception is not life. Most people would also agree that the day before birth is life. The problem is finding a point in the middle that both sides can agree on. I know I'm not qualified to make that determination, and I have a hard time believing a politician or lawyer is.

 

Legal with barriers. You ought to prove you need it for some reason (can't provide for it, etc.), but it should otherwise be open.

 

Pro-Choise, but I'm personally against it.

 

Illegal under any circumstances.

Before anyone comes up with rape, incest, extreme economical conditions...

Things happen in life. Sometimes very bad things happen to us and we can't do anything about it. Sometimes we physically can, but we still can't. One of the things we can't do is killing an innocent human being in order to pull another one out of a predicament.

This doesn't mean that women raped or left with children by irresponsible males should be left alone by the society and be on their own. Still, neither she nor the society has any claim on their unborn children's lives.

I understand the total ban and the total allowance view, but I don't understand the limits, barriers and whatever such. That stance either recognises the value of human life and the foetus as a human being but waters it down by making exceptions, or it puts morality-based limits on something it claims to be perfectly moral. In short, inconsistent. If abortion is morally proper, then why put limits on it? If it's wrong on the account of violation of human life, how can external circumstances change it?

 

Strongly for abortion. Not unlimited though, but I can hardly call a lump of cell with a brain and nervoussystem less developed than in a rat a human being. However the limit comes fairly quickly when it starts to be a real problem for me if abortion should be allowed. I'm no good in defining it though since I lack the knowledge required but that's why there are experts.

I'm not sure what you consider as a barrier, you mean a barrier like in time or in reason? I feel that no reason should be required for abortion but a time limit certainly is necessary since I don't believe life starts at the birth either.

EDIT: Probably it would be better to say when humanity starts since no one can argue that even the first fertilized cell is not living tissue.

 

Completely legal. It is the woman's choice. If she doesn't want the child, then sack it. It's not alive yet, it's not capable of making choices. She is.

Chev:
So if a girl gets raped, then she can't abort the child? It's not hers! She did not want it, ever. It's not her fault, and it shouldn't be her responsibility. I don't see how it is even comprehesible that someone could say that you can't abort a rape-product.

 

@Saber: But what did the child do? Did the child rape the mother?

@Morgoroth: What if there's no specific moment at which a radical change takes place?

 

Say, Chev, if the choise is if the mother dies in childbirth, or abortion, what do you say we should chose?

How about the same situation, but she was raped?

 

Pro-choice here. Let the woman decide if she wants to have the baby or not.

 

Pro-choice. 'nuff said.

 

Then you should not be allowed to not conceive the child. Go and be fruitful chevalier; you have no right to deny your seed to the women of the world just so that you may work to feed and clothe yourself.

 

@Rutkowski: If you press doctors, they will admit there's no such situation where abortion is the only way to save the mother or the sure way. While there are procedures in which the foetus dies as a result of performing a medical action on the mother that saves her life, directly intended abortion is always wrong. I'm not judging individual people who have made decisions but saying the act itself is wrong and should be banned. Raped mother changes nothing on the child's end. Why not execute the whole family of the rapist?

Sorry, I'm a monogamous creature.

 

Alright Chev, here's a situation:

You are a woman, and you are in love with someone, and are getting married shortly. As soon as you get married, you want a child. One night, walking on the street, you get raped. Would you want to abort that child, which you do not want or need, so that you can have the child with the one you love? Or would you say: Oh, too late now, i guess i have to have this child.

I'm not saying that that is the only situation in which rape occurs, obviously, but I'm just giving you a situation.

 

Illegal.

As usual, I'm with chev. Sure, the child is a product of a rape and unwanted by the bearer, but should she decide to terminate the life of that child when it wasn't his/her fault he/she was made? Not to mention that the creation of life is a beauty, and that the child doesn't even belong to the mother, it belongs to god (sorry to get all religious ).

 

Pro-choice. Abortion should always be seen as a measure of last resort, but it should be legal. I also believe that non-surgical abortion options (some highly-controlled but fully tested pharmaceutical drugs) should be made legal in this country.

I refuse to get drawn back into this debate, so I'll leave it at that.

[ October 11, 2005, 04:38: Message edited by: NonSequitur ]

 

I completely agree with this view. It is none of the government's business what a women choses in this regard. At the same time I agree, to an extent, with Chev: A particular chruch may have a degree of influence over the choice of an abortion. While the laws of the land extend to all "citizens born in the United States," and thusly giving them no jurisdiction over the unborn, religion can go where the government cannot; and that includes deciding when life begins.

Again, this becomes a woman's choice - if she choses her own path, then it is her choice; yet, if she wishes to abide by the tenents and beliefs of her chosen religion, then abortion may not be a good solution.

 

Good point Chandos, guess I shouldn't have put illegal.

 

But since the church doesn't make the laws, and isn't allowed or supposed to, it doesn't matter if they determine that life begins before birth or not. This is an issue of legality, and thus cannot be an issue of church.

Although, no matter what we say that church can't make laws, it will always influence people who make the laws... I'm fighting a losing war...

 

@Saber: If a government makes a law it must be followed by everyone, where a religion's 'laws' are followed by those who wish to. So are you telling me it's better that government says what you must do when it comes to personal decisions like this?