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Backstab math doesn't make the cut

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by Tayja, Mar 6, 2003.

  1. Tayja Gems: 6/31
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    Someone please explain to me about the math of backstabbing...

    My 15th level assasin has quintuple backstab, 18 strength, and is using celetial fury +3.

    I successfully backstabbed Reynaud de Chatillion with a critical hit for 9, yes *9* points of damage! How does that work?

    Let's assume lowest possible damage roll of "1"

    1 (to damage) x 5 (quintuple backstab) x 2 (critical hit) = 10

    +3 (celestial fury) + 2 (strength damage bonus) = *15* grand total if you add the pluses in after the multipliers. At least a fifteen if I got the lowest possible roll.

    The way I'm used to calculating is:

    1 (to damage) + 3 (celestial fury) +2 (strength bonus) = 6

    Then 6 x 5 (quintuple backstab) x 2 (critical hit) = 60

    So assuming I rolled a "1" for damage... I should get either "15" or "60" damage total. How did I get a "9"?

    Thanks for the math tutorial.
     
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    Imunity to backstabbing?

    Damage reduction?

    backstab failed?

    And if you're in chapter 6 when he is your ally he might get less damage if you have on reduced difficulty.
     
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    The dialogue box said it was a succesful quintuple damage backstab... on a critical hit.

    I have the difficulty set on "hard" but not "insanely hard". And I didn't realize that made a difference on anything but the damage my opponents are able to inflict. It makes a difference on my damage too?

    And.. are there items that protect vs. backstabbing? I didn't know that either.

    One last interesting tidbit you gave me...Reynaud de Chatillion makes a reappearance if you let him live? I've only encountered him in Chapter 2. (I keep replaying the early part of the game to get missed quests).
     
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    I think the weapon/strength damage is added after:

    "1" roll x 4 = 4

    Weapon (+3) Strength (+2) = +5

    4 + 5 = 9
     
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    One word, Tayja -- glitch! I love BG2, but it is quite buggy in a lot of ways.
     
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    Aces... thanks for trying to help, but remember its a x5 backstab, with a x2 critical hit....

    Therefore... 1 (damage roll) x2 (critical hit)x5 (backstab) +3 (weapon) +2 (strength)= 15 at very minimum.

    Depaara... I think you have the answer, it must be a plain old bug. The opponents always seem to get 90's on their backstab rolls. :eek: Its a little annoying.
     
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    aha. I see a dilema has arisen. whatever. the problem is, is that you need to stand behind him in order to backstab him. In my early days, I did that all the freakin' time with Yoshimo.
     
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    Maybe Reynald is a barbarian pretending to be a smuggler pretending to be a paladin. ;)
     
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    Thanks Arkanis,

    But the dialogue box said "quintuple backstab" and "critical hit". I assume this means I successfully backstabbed.

    I have noticed though, that the opponents thieves can backstab from anywhere they want. Not really fair is it?
     
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    Are you sure you have to be behind them? I'm quite certain that you can backstab them from any direction when you are invisible/hiding in shadows.

    Anyway, the extra damage from a backstab is not multiplied in a critical, so the minimum damage should be something like this:

    1(damage)x2(critical) + 5x1(backstab multiplier X damage) + 3(Celestial Fury) + 2(Strength)=12

    Still not 9 but closer...
     
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