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Best weapon style

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Kull, Jun 10, 2002.

  1. Kull Gems: 5/31
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    An extra weapon will give you an extra attack or two extra attacks if it is weapon like Belm. A shield will give you better AC (up to a bonus 5 or more and perhaps some other resistances, etc). Some of the best weapons are 2-handed. The great equalizer in the game is whirlwind, which allows the maximum rate of attacks in the game.

    I noticed that Modjahed's thief/fighter (Powergamer's dream) uses a single weapon in fighter mode and a weapon and shield in "mixed enemy" mode.

    What is your prefered style, in general, for warriors?
     
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    Two weapon style. There are so many good weapons, you can't go wrong.
     
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    Axe/Shield
    Axe of the Unyielding/Fortress Shield
    I personally love axes :love: :rolling:

    [This message has been edited by Kitrax (edited June 10, 2002).]
     
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    I almost everytime play as a Cleric/Ranger, dual wielding the flail of ages and Crom. For my armor I have Iron Skin.

    Sorry, I just remembered you asked for warriors. As a worrior I'd go for 2-handers or 2-weapon, depending on what Kit/Race I play.
     
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    I generally prefer single weapon style - you can easily add a shield at need and the AC and crit bonuses are nice either. Of course, when I have a char in my party who wields large weapons I'll give him two-handed weapon style, anyway, single weapon style is my style of choice.
     
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    I dont personaly like Two Weapon Style, no big bonus, an extra attack per 6seconds..oooh o_O

    I would go for two handed style (-4 Speed 19 or 20 Critical Hit!) Or Single weapon style (-2AC Critical Hit on 19-20)

    S and Sheild only give AC bonus against missiles, Would probably be the best if it gave extra AC.

    So Twohanded style or Single Weap style
     
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    [​IMG] 2 swords! (Katana's scimitars) That will do the trick for your fighter IF you have a good armour!

    But if you use the right shield and armour and some other items you could be like -13! That's pretty cool to!
     
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    [​IMG] The way I see it whatever is in the main hand is for causing damage and whatever is in the off hand is there for the special effects that weapon or shield gives, not for it's potential damage.
    In ToB there are so many good weapons that give special effects that Two Weapon Style is a good choice. In SoA I preferred to use a Shield, but never would I put proficiency points into Sword and Shield Style.
     
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    Earl Grey is thinking like I do. The second weapon is far effects are an extra attack with Belm. That's a significant advantage in SOA but becomes less so in TOB where you should have negative saves shortly and whirlwind attack. (However, the effects of a second weapon can still be impoortant in TOB, such as Crom Faeyr for Strength, Rune Hammer for negative plane protection, etc.)

    I also agree that the sword and shield style is lame. Conversely, shields can be helpful.

    My question definitely pertains to style, but style can not be considered in the exclusion of equipment. For instance, some people may prefer the sword and shield combo (not style) to allow the Flail of Ages and Shield of Order (big AC boost).

    So, maybe my initial question would be better phrased as:
    What weapon or weapons and shield (if any) do your primary and secondary fighter GENERALLY use?
     
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    Best weapon style?

    Two weapon. Why? Because it looks better (Hindo's Doom with Celestial Fury, Spectral Band with Belm) :cool: :p
     
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    That is the only reason for two weapon style, extra effects, extra effects that some sheilds will nicely give. If you want better AC, or more critical hits, go for the others. Remember, The *** stars in two weapon style doesnt any give bonuses, it gives less penalties
     
  12. Dual long sword or katanas!!!

    Paddy!!!
     
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    Well... to add my two cents here, I am a big fan of Single Weapon Style.

    That's mostly because as Person_Percival said, Two Weapon Style doesnt give any bonuses, just removes penalties... seems like a waste of proficiency points to me. Of course, if you think it is cool..thats your opinion, but to powergamers, it shouldnt really appeal.

    But, Single Weapon Style, unlike Two Weapon Style allows for a HUGE variety of weapons from which the character can benefit. Also, it brings to the table the added bonus of scoring critical hits on a roll of 19 or 20. For certain classes, this can be a really HUGE benefit...thieves on a backstab come to mind.

    In addition, it adds -2 AC, which is the icing on the cake.

    Single Weapon Style rules...
     
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    [​IMG] Depending on kit/class.. But mostly 2 weapons :)

    I say this again what i've said before, there should be a AC bonus wielding two weapons, since the otherone could be used for sparring/blocking, other one for hitting, like in "reality".
    IE. A warrior is using a longsword/2xshortsword, the otherone could be used for decoy hits, thus granting immensive bonus to THAC0, or in defensive giving like +2 ac or more, depending if you're a novice or a master swordsman etc.
    IIRC, the rules apply for that atleast in 3rd D&D.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but atleast that how it should be :)

    And for more devastating damage, CF + belm + Imp. Haste + GWW (Not sure if Imp. Haste and GWW Stack) should do pretty devastating outcome :)

    But for mostly, I also use Weapon & Shield or two handed weapon. but definetly for a ranger, in 3rd ed. I used 2 weapons, and didin't even need to pick Ambidexterity & Two-weapon style -feats with high enough dex.
    So basically, I think that should be applied to BG2 somehow, adding the AC bonus for dual-wielding on high enough Dex :)

    But that's the side of my story/opinion :D

    Dual Wielding rules :D
     
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    depends on the class i use, a druid and a cleric is better of with a shield.

    a fighter is better of with dual wielding...

    the style i use depends on the class i use...

    and i always try to vary on the weapon types i use so it wont get boring to use the same weapons over and over and over and over again.

    Most knows that flail of the ages + cromfayer is a good choice for a kensai or a berserker., but i rather vary the weapons and styles i use, gets more interesting.

    i like dual wielding since i can put a weapon that have an effect that effects the enemy in my main hand and a weapon that gives my char a bonus in the off hand such as flail of ages and cromfayer, but as said, i try to vary the types off weapons i use.
     
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    I just love dual-wielding.

    Why? Probably because I want to use as much of the cool weapons in the game as possible. Some of my characters have two-handed style for the carsomyr or a ranged weapon.

    I dislike single weapon style and sword and shield style. I don't like single weapon style, because I dislike the idea of the off hand doing nothing, while it could be holding a kick ass weapon.
    Sword and shield style mostly sucks, since AC doesn't matter much in ToB and an off hand weapon will usually give far better bonusses than a shield.

    Dual wielding rocks because of the extra attack and the extra effects. Some people here said the extra attack doesn't matter, but it does. It's an extra, let's say, 20 damage a round, that's pretty nice.
     
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    sword and shield style isnt that bad, there are some useful shields in the game such as shield of harmony and shield of balduran.

    especially shield of balduran is very nice because of the advantage you get againts beholders.

    have a undead hunter become proficient in:
    two handed swords, two handed weapon style, mace, sword and shield style, using:
    carsomyr, mace of disruption\storm star and shield of balduran\shield of harmony and you get a uber undead\beholder hunter.

    use carsomyr regurarly, use mace of disruption and shield of harmony against undead.
    use any other mace and shield of balduran against beholders and you will rock baldurs gate.
     
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    Yeah but Death Whisper, every one is bagging sword and shield style because all it does is give u a paltry +2 or +4 or whatever against missiles. If you will only use those shields in the specific areas you mentioned whats the point. Vamps and beholders don't use missile weapons so you're wasting proficiencies that could be better spent in axes or hammers (Axe of Unyielding or Crom Fraer/Runehammer). ALso another axe from the undead hunting point of view is Azuredge.
     
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    Thyorna, shields arent all about getting some defence against missiles.

    the shields also adds ac to your character.

    The shield of balduran reflects beholder rays, and thats a neat bonus to have when fighting beholders since they cant turn you to stone then nor hurt you.

    The shield of harmony makes you immune to charm like spells which is very useful against vampires who have a nasty tendency to charm your character.

    Do not look upon shields only as a missile protector when there exists shields that gives you so much more.
     
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    Depends on the character you're playing and your playing style.

    Two Weapon Style
    Good for Rangers who get free points in it (and you pay HEAVILY for those two free slots, approx an additional 50000 XP per level) and Swashbuckler and Blade characters, since it doubles their attacks. Weapons such as Belm and Kundane which give an additional attack besides make excellent offhand weapons. In addition, there are some weapons which are not so wonderful in themselves but whose bonuses make them really good in your offhand slot (e.g. the Answerer in your main hand doubled up with the improved Angurvadal).

    Single Weapon Style
    Gives significant bonuses. Improved critical is very nice. Additional AC starts out pretty groovy, but towards the end of the game everything hits regardless of AC and so this ceases to be important. This is a particularly good style for characters who can't use shields and others who have a bow and crossbow as their secondary weapon (saves you having to faff about in your inventory when you want to change weapons).

    Two Handed Weapon Style
    Goes extremely well with a two handed sword or halberd. Improved criticals are nice, 1 HP of extra damage is OK and the speed bonus is excellent as it can make some of the handier two handed weapons as fast to strike as a short sword.

    Sword and Shield Style
    A true waste of proficiency points. Few enemies fire missiles at you. For those that do, get the Reflection Shield from the Adventurer's Mart. I cannot emphasize how pathetic this style is. If an NPC has one or more points in it, I will use Shadowkeeper to switch proficiencies.

    In summary:
    • Fighters / paladins: whatever style you damned well please to suit your primary weapon(s).
    • Most thieves and bards: Single Weapon Style, bow / crossbow as secondary weapon.
    • Swashbucklers / Blades: at least two points in dual wield and then specialize in the sword of your choice. Dual wielding is one of the benefits of these classes; if you don't use it play another class.
    • Rangers: you get dual wielding for free - you might as well swing two longswords when in melee.
    • Most druids: staff or spear and Two Handed Weapon style.
    • Shapeshifter druid: Single Weapon Style as you get the AC / critical hit bonus when shapeshifted.
    • Clerics: you're likely to be wielding a shield. I still wouldn't go for Sword and Shield Style unless you really have no other proficiencies left to take.
     
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