Can True Sight detect Non-Detection?

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Hi, I have a question.

Does anyone know if True Sight can dispell the invisibility protected by Non-Detection?

Thank you in advance for your help.

 

I'm fairly certain that the only thing that goes through Non Detection or SI: Div is Detect Illusion (the rogue ability).

Of course, it's been a while since I've gone up against ND, so I could be wrong.

 

It didn't for me.

I had Jan wearing the Cloak of Non-Detection and using the Staff of the Magi. Jan got the call from home as part of his quest. We hurried over to the Jansen place and, after speaking with members of the Jansen family, Jan left the party -- invisible and undetectable. Not even Keldorn could find him or dispel the effect.

Fortunately, after you finish the quest Jan initiates a conversation and asks to rejoin the party -- I thought I'd lost the staff.

 

If you have a character who is *stealthed*, ie using thief/ranger skillz, and he has the cloak of non-detection, NOTHING will find him. Not even true sight.

If he uses a potion of invisibility, the invis spell, or imp. invis, then the non-detection will not save him.

I don't know about either mislead or the SoTM.

 

From what i understand you can't dispel anything that has permenant effect from an item.

 

@Pseudospawn:
Actually, what Dispel Magic should do is disable the magic item (provided that the item fails its saving throw) for several rounds, then the item should snap back on. However, Dispel Magic requires a visible target.

Non-Detection should provide proof against any spell that attmepts to locate or detect you. Spells that affect the caster's ability to see through illusions (True Sight and True Seeing) should work just fine, as they are not targeted at the character with the Cloak. So yes, True Sight should be able to break through Non-Detection.

Stealth, however, is not an illusion. It is the ability to be ignored by people who are not aware of you. Therefore, True Sight and True Seeing should not be able to find you even if you don't have Non-Detection.

EDIT: You may notice that I've said 'should' a lot. This is because everything I've said is from the actual 2nd ed. rules, and also the BG2 manual. That doesn't necessarily mean it matches up with the game, though.

[ July 09, 2005, 00:58: Message edited by: Felinoid ]

 

Thanks, guys.

 

To elaborate on BTA's comment: True Sight will see through the SPELL non-detection, but not through the effect granted by the CLOAK of non-detection. Probably because True Sight is supposed to dispell non-detection but cannot do so for the cloak, since the effect in this case is "permanent" and non-dispellable.

This is my experience with the game anyway.

 

Using Near Infinty-

Cloak of Non-Detection: Instant/While Equipped + No Dispel/Bypass resistance

Useful for avoiding & backstabbing mages ...however thanks to improved enemies mods the bosses tend to have a 'see through invisibilty' attribute

 

True Seeing (Divination)
Level: 5
Sphere: Divination
Range: 0
Duration: 1 turn
Casting Time: 8
Area of Effect: 70' radius
Saving Throw: None

When this spell is cast, an area roughly 70 feet in radius around the caster will be effected. Instantly and once each round for 1 turn after this spell is cast, all hostile illusion/phantasm spells in the area of effect will be dispelled. The spells that are affected by this are: Reflected Image, Invisibility, Mirror Image, NON-DETECTION, Improved Invisibility, Shadow Door, Mislead, Project Image, and Simulacrum. The area of effect is roughly a 70' radius around the caster. The target's magic resistance, if any, does not come into effect with this spell. This spell only affects enemies, thus it is unable to dispel the invisibility from a party member.

 

Yes, but from personal experience, it does not affect the Cloak of Non-Detection.

EXAMPLE: In the sewers under the temple district there is a group of adventurers in the north-central part of the area map.

When you advance with a stealth character using the Cloak of Non-Detection, the mage will automatically cast true sight (don't ask me how he knows to cast it at that precise moment). Follwoing the casting of that spell, your stealth character using the CoN-D is still invisible to everyone. If you were not using the cloak, you would be seen. As a result, I agree that while true sight may disable to spell non-detection, it does not dispel the non-detection offered by the Cloak of Non-Detection.

 

Oh my! I had this problem as well. It was in the cottage of the character who was running away from someone. Some african ranger if I can recall it right.
I do not even remember the character I lost, neither how I solved the issue.
Unfortunately my story has not a happy end like yours.