DRSW Space Theories

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Ok I was reading about new NASA finds and several theories came to mind.

http://science.nasa.gov/

Thats the link.

Mars & Water
Now it's pretty much a fact that Mars once had water on it at some point or another. Photos have been taken of what looks like water run off from about a century ago.

But where did all the water go? Some say that it is all in the ice caps. Others say that it's frozen in deep gulies. Well heres what I think.

Long ago a rather big astorid hit a deep if not larg lake on Mars. And astorid come in to the skies rather fast, hitting the lake surface and streaming downward to the waters bottom. Since the lake is deep there is very little rock between the water and the core or a main vein of Mars' magma core. Opening the vein of Mars to a mass body of water and the quickly cooling magma starts a chain reaction. Valcainos all over start to erupte causing a great mass of ash and debree to cover larg areas of the earth. This sudden chage in the presser of the core creates massave earth quakes all over the planet. Water flows in to the deep cracks. All water eventual makes it's way to in to the crakes. The water now fills the inside of Mars. In it's core. The valcanos are noexicent now because the core is water and not magma. Every now and then pressure builds up in areas of the core intell just like magma water comes spueing out in a gazier quickly evraperating back into the earth.

X-Rays from Jupter
Now theirs a mistery. I have no theorie of what this is yet but I will if ever I read more about it. But I have a theorie on how to get futher into Jupter then ever before! As you travel further into Jupter the gravity get so intence that it just crushes every thing. Here's the soultion. Make a probe that is round. It cant have any indents. The rounder the better. No probes or anything can stick out form the sphear. It has so be solid. Their can be no air pockets of anykind inside or else risking it being crushed sooner.

For it to take pictures of the clouds and such it has a fiberoptic cammra inside it. Theirs no air remember. The cammra would look through a thined out place in the sphear.

Black Holes
Well it true. We have a black hole in the center of our Milky Way. Thats why I think the Milky Way turns and looks a little swerley(spell). Eventualy the black hole will suck us up too, or will it.

My theorie on Black Holes is a little hard to explain so I'll try as best as I can. Every black hole sucks matter form the current time and thoughs it to someother time. Eventualy the black hole gets cloged up and has to turn it suckchen the other way. Now all the stuff it sucked up its thoughing back out. So the univarse is never emptied but just drained for awile then refilled.

I have other theories on black holes and other things but I'll spare you since your head probley hurting by now. Depending on how many post's I get here I might add on.

 

First I would say it is maiking me happy to see a youngster interested in science. And even more is making his own theories about all sorts of phenomenals in the universe. You remind me of me.

I'll Edit with comments tomorrow when I am.. Well more sober . All I can say is :thimbs up:

 

Very interesting theories you have. I think that the Mars one is actually very likely one.

Ara
(Having a bad day from Hell... I hate life)

 

Nothing to do with space, but a friend and I came up with our fridge theory whilst drunk.. (its pbly plagerised from somewhere - sorry!)

At faster speeds, time slows down... Thus as you go towards the speed of light (like in a black hole? me no physicist), time stops. It follows that as things go slower, time speeds up...

All objects have some level of kinetic energy associated with them cos of their molecules vibrating. Kinetic energy has a component which is due to the spped of motion.

If you put something in a fridge, it cools down, and molecules vibrate slower. This slower speed should result in time going faster in a fridge.

Is this correct (there seem to be some scientists around here - I'm a biologist and so am relatively uninterested in such trivia! )

 

I wear a pointy hat made of aluminium foil that protects me form the mind control rays from the US government ... and from the Mysterons of course ...

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Blackthorne why dont you think I'm serious?

Thankyou ArchAngel, Arabwel. I have alot of these kinda of things going through my mind.

Christpoher_Lee, I dont know much about that stuff but I'll think about what you have typed.

Ragusa. Pointy hats dont work. I've tried. Use tin cans.

 

A company (I think Gillette) used to sell razors in pyramids cos they said it helped keep them sharp (it doesn't - I think they were trying to play off the Egyptian pyramids thing which can apparently slow down time - therefore the razor blunts more slowly. In fact, several, serious, scientific studies were done into proving this one wrong; not bad if you're the advertising bloke who thought that one up!).

Perhaps the pointy hat refered to above keeps the mind of the wearer sharp...?

 

I have only a high school education in physics, so what I'm going to say here is probably wrong - but I thought I'd add my thoughts anyway so at least someone could point out where I am wrong and let me know where to learn more.
Fridge theory: Interesting - I never thought about the relativistic effect of temperature before, and it certainly sounds reasonable. However, the effect would likely be so small as to be negligible. The equation for relativistic mass is relativistic mass = rest mass / (the square root of (1 - the speed squared/ the speed of light squared)) - I think. I can't remember the equations for time and distance effect but I know that they're similar and think they all contain the expression (the square root of (1 - the speed squared/ the speed of light squared)) . The important thing is that unless the speed is very close to the speed of light (I'm talking the same order of magnitude, hundreds of millions of metres per second) then relativistic effects are very small. I seem to remember one experiment on time dilation in which a very accurate clock was flown around the world many times and showed a very small change compared to one which had been left in a lab. I must confess that I have no idea how fast particles move at room and fridge temperature, but I'm sure it's not anywhere near the speed where relativistic effects are significant. Possibly there would be a measureable time difference between - say empty space and the centre of the sun, but if you wanted to test it you'd have to find a way for a clock to survive inside the sun.

Water on mars:
I read in New Scientist that recent studies have shown water near the south pole of mars. Link: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991994

Black Holes:
For a black hole to spew stuff out it would have to overcome the incredible weight of all the stuff and there would have to be some reason why no-one has seen it happen yet. As far as I could understand from A Brief History of Time, the event horizon of a black hole (which is dependent on its mass) is linked to its entropy and cannot decrease. However, I have heard of physicists speculating about a fifth force (in addition to electric, gravitational, weak and strong) which is responsible for apparent changes in supposed constants like the speed of light and the mass of an electron, and may have a repulsive effect which is causing the universe to accelerate, and suggestions that quantum theory makes a singularity impossible (again from New Scientist).

Incedentally, what's the difference between a theory and a hypothesis? I think a hypothesis is pretty much a guess, and a theory is more certain than a hypothesis and less certain than a law, but I know there are more exact definitions.

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Doesn't one test a hypothesis, and on the basis of ones results make a theory which may be able to be applied to other cases outside those ones tested?

 

Ahh, But BTA even the scientific world is split in for instance the "where did the water on Mars go" theory. Heck I have read articles with scientist claiming it *IS* indeed a cataclysmic event like an asteroid, although they are few.
[I'm not saying an asteroid couldn't hit Mars and cause the loss of some water, but the rest of that theory was just way out there. Surface water replacing the entire mantle and core of Mars? Water reaching the magma setting off a chain reaction? The asteroid plumetting through water and crust to the mantle (on the order of 50km)? - BTA]

anyway;

Water&mars
At the present day Mars' atmosphere is too thin to hold any seas lakes and rivers. There are many ideas why the climate on mars changed.
The one I lean to is that Mars' atmospheric carbon dioxide was trapped as carbonate in the surface rocks. On earth tectonic activities make sure that minerals and carbon dioxide replenish the Atmosphere. Mars has no tectonic activity and therefore it is like that the atmosphere was, lets say thinned out.

X-rays from Jupiter( not jupter)
Jupiter http://www.seds.org/nineplanets/nineplanets/jupiter.html

Round is good. Solid is good. The temperature of Jupiter's core is "estimated" 20000 Kelvin. So the temperature is not the biggest concern. It is how it should gain enough speed to actually have a steady course towards the core. It is obvious that an engine would make the design so much more impossible.


Black holes
I simply have nothing to say. Black hole theories are way out of my league to even pretend to know better than anyone else.


The fridge
Sure got a lot of concepts mixed together there.

I cannot see the connection between internal molecular speed(kinetic energy) and external time slowing down. What you say is basicly that the interior speed of molecules (protons and electrons) slow down in time but since they are given to live forever it doesn't seem to mean a lot.

Even so; high speed resorts to time corruption low speed doesn't; So you would have this theory working only at extremely high temperatures in gasses. Sounds like an elaborate mixture of concepts.

But of course it could as anything hold interesting keys to future science.

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one can say that a hyphotesis looks forward in time, a theory backwards.

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Ok I'm not really sure how the fridge thing got in here. I'm going to stay out of that, I just dont under stand that kind of stuff. But it sounds cool.

I laughed pretty hard after I read about the pyramid shavers. Thought I see how someone would think such a thing.

BTA. If you find so much wrong with my ideas please say some. I'm eager to learn what might be wrong and what you think of it besides that it's wrong.

More on to the topic at hand.

Water on mars: I know that my idea of an astorid hitting a deep part in water is far featched. Maybe it was something else. Because for so much water that they say is thier it's got to be somewhere. But if you read the link I gave you they say that every year the atmosphere gets thicker. When we're all older and are surfing the web with glasses or wires in our neck. Mars will be able to hold water. If it really does we will have to wait and see.

Jupiter: Now I dont really think that it needs an engine. We could just use a seiries of rockets to perpell it further in to Jupiter. It's that oppiste of how we first got off the earth. So I dont really think an engine is a problem.

Black Holes: I amite that I went out pretty far on that. But nonthe less, we have seen and told stories of all kinds of things that imposable to conceive in scince. For intince: In more then 1000 accouts people saw the body of Muhumad(sorry if the spellings wrong) was risen to the sky with nothing touching him. He was chained to the Rock too. The chains came off and his dead body rose in to the clounds. Could have been a minny black hole. Who really knows. But my point is that it's not imposable for a black hole to reverise it's self. Nothing can spin on and on forever. I'm not sure if even space goes on and on forever.

 

Nobody is doubting that there is water on Mars. It wasn't really the theme of your hyphotesis was it?


JUPITER;

Even if you could design rockets to thrust this solid round ultra compressed probe into Jupiter, you still have to guide it towards the core or whereever its destination is. The weather and enviromental conditions on a gas giants, set pretty high demands on the guiding system.


BLACK HOLES;
Some "known" facts about black holes are that the mass they can absorb is infinite, in theory, Muhammed sucked up or not...

A mini black hole; hmmm. Another definition of black holes are that their gravitational forces are so strong that they even suck in light. Certainly not something you would want to observe, nomatter if it was mini maxi of the size of a snickers.

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My point about black holes was that things that dont seem posable can happen. I was using Mumhamd as an example.

 

Sure thing, but an example should hold some ground or have its foundation in a theory that actually could be resonable or is at least thought through. A mini black hole is still as potentially powerfull as any black hole, right? And will soon grow in size, especially if placed near or even *on* a planet.



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I think that fridge theory explains why my cilantro goes bad so fast.