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Dual Wielding and Multiple Attacks

Discussion in 'Dungeons & Dragons + Other RPGs' started by Crawl, Sep 6, 2001.

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    OK, I've been plotting a character progress through levels, and something is unclear to me. If I have a character who is a dual wielder, he suffers a -2 penalty to his attacks with each hands (with the right feats and equipment of course). What happens when he gets multiple attacks from his BAB getting high enough. Does the -2 penalty carry over to all his attacks, or does it only apply to his origional ones made with his main and off hand? Also, if I take Improved Two weapon fighting, my character would get an additional attack with his offhand, albeit with a -5 penanty. Does this stack with the -2 penatly he already suffers with his offhand?

    My personal reasoning is that the -2 penalty could be cululative for all attacks, (naturally I'm not entirely sure or I wouldn't be asking), and the -5 stacks with the -2 penalty.
     
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    The penalty certainly applies to all primary hand attacks.

    The other is unclear, but my interpretation is that the additional off hand attack is at a straight -5 penalty only. That would make it one worse than normal for your off hand, and it apparently ignores whether the off handed weapon is light or not.
     
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    I'd rule that the -5 penalty stacks with the -2 penalty. That would make it in line with the main hand attacks. I have trouble imagining a person having a total -7 penalty on the second mainhand attack, while only a -5 on the second offhand attack. Or you could rule that the -5 penalty on the main hand overlaps with the -2 on the first attack too, for -5/-5 second attacks. That ought to make the ranger in the party happy :p
     
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    [​IMG] Huh? Where do you get the -7 penalty for the second attack on the primary hand?

    Anyone with the Improved Two-Weapon Fighting feat has at worst a -4 penalty on all primary hand attacks as well as a -4 penalty for the off hand attack (both improve by 2 if the off hand weapon is light).

    The ITWF feat gives one more off hand attack at a -5 penalty.

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    Oh, I think I see what you're saying; the second primary hand attack bonus is 5 less that the first primary hand attack bonus, thus it's like a -5 penalty. So what you're saying is that each extra attack made with the off hand gets the BAB of the first primary hand attack to start with! Interesting, I didn't consider that, and didn't see that stated explicitly anywhere, but it does make sense, and the stacking of the -5 and -2 penalties then makes sense as you stated...

    [This message has been edited by Blackthorne TA (edited September 07, 2001).]
     
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    Woah! Something I said made sense? Well, there's a first time for everything. :D
     
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    A sixth level fighter, with ambidex and 2 weapon fighting, would get

    2 attacks with the weapon in his primary hand, at +4(+6-2), and -1(+1-2).

    He would get one attack with his secondary weapon, at +4(+6-2).

    Cullain
     
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    Culain: You are correct. But we were discussing a character with the improved two-weapon fighting feat. Assuming he meets the minimum requirements, he would then have:

    2 attacks with the weapon in his primary hand, at +7(+9-2), and +2(+4-2).

    2 attacks with the weapon in his off hand, at +7(+9-2), and +2(+4-2).
     
    Azardu, Sep 8, 2001
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