Get pregnant, get killed - the Jordanian honor code.

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This is an interesting story. In Jordan, a family's reputation is more important than human life.

Here's the link.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B9CEBDC8-D0BA-40E0-A69F-6F254FDFF7A8.htm

So what do you think?

 

Different culture, it's the way they've done things for a long time. They have different values to us and attach honor to those values. If only we could do such a thing in western society.

But personally it makes me sick that women are treated like cattle over there and the fact they didn't question 'how' she was made pregnant (eg. if she was raped woulld she have suffered the same 'family-love'?) makes me think justice over there doesn't care about who it punishes, as long as someone is punished.

 

I am sure they would see it as compassionate conservatism. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Mostly in very conservative cliques and there, not isolated to the arab world really. Pretty common in hindu India as well.

 

As abomination said it is a very different culture and personally I can't see what's really so horrible in it all, sure the man got a light punishment but at least he was punished and the deed was considered illegal, there are places where a man would walk free after such a deed.

 

Something to all the people who disagree with me, you know you do after you read this..

Just because it is culture doesn't mean we should respect it, cultures like that have seen it's prime, and are stuck in the Stone Age..

In Ethiopia there are tribes where women get circumcised, which happens with a rusty knife, and no painkillers, in India women get burned because the bridegift her parents gave was too little, but that is okay right, that is culture, something to be respected, no matter how brainless the rules are, or how backwards they think...

Here we have those lefties who try to give people from aggressive cultures lighter punishments(like turks), oh because they were born in some stoneage culture means they are allowed to kill and rape??

 

And they'll stay stuck there, so long as they keep treating half their people like cattle to be slaughtered at the slightest whim... Very good incentive to not have daughters, ever.

 

Oh, yeah I see you're point. I mean, its much better to have a place where the guy walks free 4 months after the deed.

Well unless its appealed of course.

 

FOUR MONTHS!?! DROPPED CHARGES!?!
Jeezus, I don't see how anyone could put up with this.

Hmm I guess, in the end, it will be up to the US army to clean up the situation. I just hope they don't take too long.

 

ArtEChoke, What I meant is that at least the deed is considered illegal, it would be ethically very much worse if the deed would be considered completely okay.

 

What is the difference then? He still walks..

 

Practically there is no difference but ethically there is, whether that matters to anyone of you is another story.

 

Yep. That's how it works over there. It's extuded throughout their entire society. From birth to adulthood, and beyond. Kill the Jews, repress females, obey the Imam of my mosque.

It will literally take a social revolution to reform anything. It's not the culture that's at issue, it's the social structure and hierarchy.

 

As someone posted, it's a different culture. But such deeds are still horrible and incorrect. They violate basic human laws (mostly the law for life) for a reason which weight should be much less. They should change in this matter.
The person who did the murder probably thought he was doing good, but I consider such things unacceptable after all.

It is no matter whether the person gets 4 months or for example 4 years in this individual case, because it won't bring the woman back.
But if they change the law, so the possible punishment for such deeds would be more strict, it might make the number of such murders lower. But the common attitude of public, of people must change first, the law itself won't help too much until then.

 

Heck, if you think it's so horrible and wrong, you try convincing them that. You won't last five minutes if you preach our culture to them and tell them that theirs is barbaric.

Sure, it's nasty. Everyone here sees what is wrong with it. But we can't do anything to change it. Blind tradition/culture like that can't even be changed by the barrel of a gun because they hold things to be more important than life.

You would hope they would die out eventually (it's the only damn way those type of values will leave this earth) but the bastards have a habit of reproducing like crazy despite killing their women regulary.

 

well, at least in europe we wouldn't stand for this sort of s**t, that guy would be doing 20 years for killing a pregnant woman for 'honor purposes' here in uk.

@abomination: unfortuanately, you're right. the only way is to overthrow the regimes, iraq-style, and then scare them enough not to repeat any of that 'honor killing' stuff. For purposes of irony, we could get the CIA could assaassinate Khomeni and then claim it was an 'honor-related thing'.

@ejsmith: it's not really just islam that's the problem (look at india, for example). but it's a good place to start, methinks

 

Overthrowing regimes will accomplish nothing, as it is not the regimes imposing that crap, but their entire culture.

 

^^ Yes but when their government drops the sentence from what would be life in prison to 4 months it's keeping that kind of culture in.

If a new government was to punish that murderer properly, in time, the culture would change.

 

At least here in the civilized West, when we have to preserve our family honor, we have the sense to kill just the kid, not both the kid and mom.

 

Doubtful. When they move to the West where the murderers ARE punished - they still practice that hideous custom. There was a (in)famous case in Michigan not too long ago.

 

Have been a few cases here as well. It probably is possible to change but it takes time. Peoples attitudes have to change. Laws and the like helps but they are only a small part of changing those attitudes.