I have a subject to bring up.

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Maybe it's been done here before, I don't know.

Before I bring out what I have to show, however, there's a question to ask.

Do you support, endorse, or otherwise approve of PETA (people for the ethical treatment of animals)?

 

No, I would support people for the ethical treatment of people, for it is really only by treating everybody in an ethical manner, that we could then treat the rest of the environment in an ethical manner. But that will never happen as business and government are not ethical themselves.

EDIT: I suspect whatnots is also not the forum for this subject

 

I am an animal lover and support animal rights, but PETA are *******s.

 

Not really. While animals deserve to be treated well - as in, not abused or neglected - that fact remains that they're ANIMALS. DS said it very well, our first priority in cleaning up the mess that society has become is to encourage the ethical treatment of one's fellow human beings.

The main problem I have with PETA is the same at that I have with many groups of a wide variety of beliefs: please, members, by all means live according to your personal beliefs, whatever they may be. But stop trying to force me to do the same when I don't share those beliefs!

 

Not really. It's wrong to treat animals with cruelty for no reason, but there's no tigers association for the well-treating of humans either. We have the might, so we have the right. That's nature.

That said, it´s not a bad idea. Just really not a priority. What Rally and DS said really.

 

I certainly approve of groups for ethical treatment of... whatever, be it PETA or AI. Their goals are one and the same in me mind, encourage those special animals (humans) to live a life of empathy, not autism.

 

It's wrong to mistreat animals, but there's more to it than humans being parasites. Such organisations as PETA are needed to turn the public eye to the problem of how animals are treated, but when human rights lose priority to animal rights, then something is going wrong. This is not to say that every single animal rights organisation should spend some or most of the time campaigning for human rights instead, but just to say that there need to be some clear priorities.

Of course, just that even human rights are violated openly so widely is no excuse to treat animals with cruelty and inflict unnecessary suffering.

Also, they have sufficiently dissuaded me from wearing any fur or leather, but naked protests are a bit much.

 

Are you also a vegetarian, then, Chev? Personally I think it's a great shame to eat the meat of an animal and waste the hide. If you're goign to take its life, make that sacrifice count as fully as possible.

 

But most of the fur is coming from the animals which are killed ONLY for their fur. The rest of the animal is wasted

 

I'll admit that I know little of the fur and leather goods industries, Argohir. I imagine that you're right when it comes to fur-animals, because fox an mink-meat is too gamy to be edible. But does the same thing apply to leather? Is it really true that the skins of cattle and pigs and sheep that are slaughtered for their meat go to waste?

If that is so, it's sickening.

 

Tasty animals are nice!


on topic: no i dont support, and i am not going to, whether or not animals are trated properly, i dont really care

 

Hmm... no, not really. Just not a great fan of meat, but not vegetarian. But fur animals aren't normally eaten and I'm not sure animals killed for leather are, either. I'm fine with synthetic fur for linings... not like I wear anything like that anymore. But if a healthy animal posing no danger were to be killed just for the hide or fun, the meat going to waste, that would be bad.

 

Damn, BTA beat me to it....

I don't really care to much for the organization though (and certainly do not support them).

 

Good point, Chev, most of the time those killed for fur are, in fact, not eaten. If they were, or vice-versa, furs of eaten animals would be used, then it would be not that big deal.
But who would eat, say, weasel meat?

But leather clothes are, always if I'm not mistaken, made from pig and cattle skin. So I'm not really sure about their origin. Althought common sense dictates that no-one would just breed pigs for leather, althought the vice-versa could apply here. Perhaps some studying about the matter would be in order...

 

I don't support PETA, it's just a way for celebrities to get some positive publicity.

I don't stand still by the fact that my leather jacket came from an animal, or even care that an animal might have been killed just for my jacket. So it would be kinda hypocritical of me to be against fur, just because I don't wear it (real men don't wear fur y'know ). I'm all for treating animal ethically; they should kill them nice and quickly before they wind up on my plate.

Ever notice how people take it out on fur more often than on leather? It's simply easier to be violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs

 

Both yes and no. No for cattles, pigs and sheep, yes for seals , crocodiles etc.

 

I'm for PETA:

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

 

Heh. I thought furs arent considered the rage anymore cause the process of getting them off the damn animals defies words.

/stick in the mud

 

PETA is crap. They're the idiots of animal rights activists. I much prefer the other animal rights organization, whose acronym I can't remember at the moment.