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http://www.theonion.com/onion3833/bush_wont_stop_asking.html

 

True thru and thru.

It's amazing how little we see or hear from our Pres. In the meantime we get Cheney, Condoleeza, and Powell all running around making contradictory statements. Cheney opens mouth inserts foot, Powell distances himself from the embarassment of said statements and tries to present the more reasonable idea, Condoleeza in the meantime tries to make it sound good. They used to harass Clinton for seeking approval; We could sure use someone in the oval office who wants a little approval before he does something like START A WAR.

 

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the President has been speaking in public a lot lately. He's also said he wants Congressional approval for military action. Try to pay attention. There will be a quiz later.

And the more accurate statement is that Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush understand that there is a threat to America that needs to be addressed while Powell runs around with his head up his butt trying to look like a "statesman" as he checks the polls for his numbers.

 

good to know even the top politicians are like the average office worker.

 

Powell is the only one among those rightwing religous fundamentalists in that is governing the most powerful nation in the world that has atleast a semblence of reason and intelligence. The rest seem to be bloodthirsty, blind, arrogant and outright stupid children on a playground that likes to kick on the people already laying down instead of helping, expecting the rest of the kids on the schoolground to help out or be possible targets in the future.

 

Actually he has not said he is asking for approval, Bush has said congress needs to recognize they have already given their approval years ago (i.e. for the elder Bush). That doesn't fall into the category of seeking approval. It's more like trying to create a legal loophole so he can bypass getting their approval. And, just because Bush has been in the press doesn't necessarily mean he has said anything significant. His public statements are mostly one-liners whose aim is to look presidential (IMHO).

I just wonder what your response would have been if Bush was not pres. and there was a democrat in his place. I mean, isn't it just a little disconcerting that the top cabinet members are contradicting each other in public?? Whose in charge here anyway? How can Cheney come out one day and say Bush doesn't need UN approval to invade Iraq, and then the next day say the pres. is going to seek their approval? I'm sorry but you don't go tell someone you don't care or need their opinion/support and THEN turn around and ask for it. What arrogance.

Powell has no interest in the poll's, he's a military man and this is his area of expertise.

What exactly is this threat to America anyway?? Iraq is not Al Qaeda, Iraq did not fly planes into the World Trade center. Iraq does not have weapons of mass destruction. There are no ties from Al Qaeda to Iraq. If we want to attack a country why not attack Iran? They have weapons of mass destruction, their government has aided terrorists. Don't you think there might be good reason why almost all of the political leaders are saying don't attack Iraq?? Do you have any idea why Osama wanted to bring us down in the first place?? If we attack Iraq we will not reduce any threat, we will succeed in doing exactly the opposite: we will create more enemies.

[ September 12, 2002, 02:56: Message edited by: scarampella ]

 

- Can we do it yet??
- No
- Now??
- No
- Maybe now
- No!!!
- Oh, You´ve got black people too?!?

 

Scarampella:

I am so happy to see that there are still people left in the US that think the way you do and don't just buy the government propaganda about Iraq, axis of evil and the rest of it...
Also what you are stating about creating more enemies (and an excuse for MORE terrorists to spawn out of it) is such a simple thought that everybody else in the world has been saying for years...everybody else besides the US that is.

-thanos

 

Terrible! I really hope that militant maniac comes on bether thoughts, invasion of iraq? Why?

 

ten minutes after posting I realized I had used the wrong acronym but was away from my computer and there was nothing I could do about it.
4 hours later I got home and with much trepidation opened the topic expecting to see at least ten people slamming me for being an idiot or a moron. Much to my surprise nobody did

Maybe Tal's new rules are working

If anyone caught it but didn't say anything thanks. It's been fixed now.

 

Thanos, it scares me that you think that many Americans agree with Bush's invasion rhetoric.

I think that the Onion has summed this up nice in a previous issue, in their fake pedestrian interviews.

It's not up anymore, so I'll have to paraphrase:
"Well, I personally don't agree with Bush's plan, but I'm probably alone, along with many Republicans, all non-Republicans, and the entire rest of the world."

 

Mage:

Well, it could be an LA thing I guess (I love this city hehe )
But still, IIRC, about 60% or so are pro-invasion, according to some polls or whatnot.By all means correct me if I am wrong.

Thing, is, if public opinion was overwhelmingly AGAINST attacking Iraq, Bush would never be thinking about it (if he wants a second term in office, that is).

-thanos

 

Saddam Hussein already had weapons of mass destruction. He's already used them against the Kurds, a minority group in his own country. We already know he sees us (rightly) as an enemy. Try to keep up-to-date, people.

The only question is how far along he is in getting nukes.

Powell's military experience means he knows how to fight a war. It does most emphatically not mean that he knows when to fight a war. He is also not currently a soldier. He was a soldier.

He is also the only one contradicting Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Bush, et al. So the whines of "whose [sic] in charge here" are spurious.

It's quite entertaining when you guys talk about Rumsfeld and Rice as scaryrightwingfundamentalistextremistconservativesblahblahblah. Do you actually know anything about their backgrounds?

 

It's much more like "America's finest satirical news source".

"He is also not currently a soldier. He was a soldier."
Schralp, you honestly have no idea how it actually works...


But look at it like this: if it blows up big enough, you can get drafted too. There's only so long you can stay in skool. You'll get to play all the fun games, too!

And, let's say that they just haven't been able to enrich enough uranium, or they just can seem to get the specs right on the explosives. You can still load up a convential bomb with a load of Uranium oxide. U235/238 really isn't all that radioactive. In it's elemential/oxide form, 75% of it's total radioactivity (in terms of Sieverts) is alpha. There's only a little bit of beta, even less neutron, and a nearly unmeasurable amount of gamma. You can hold a chuck of Uranium 238 in your hands, and pickup only a few rads per day. Not enough to burn you, but the course of a month straight, it racks up.

And stand the hell by if you injest those alpha particles. You will come apart at the seams, rapidly. "Bleeding from every orifice". So in the end, whether he can put out a 50kt blast, or just 500lbs worth, it's not going to matter all that much. The chem/bio side of his arsenal is very effective when you have no protection, and no medical facilities/treatment. That's why he stacked up the Kurds so well. It works a little different when you have access to medical treatment. The solution to pollution is dilution, as far as your body is concerned...

 

Yes Saddam got weapons of great power, and so so the USA. You two are one of the few countries that hav not signed against biological weapons. You think you need it against enemies as protection, so does Saddam, its a hard question and I think that both of you should reconsider and remove does weapons. I donot trust them in any nations hand, specially not Iraq and USA.

I do also beleav that Saddam got nukes, its very easy to make and ploutonium is both cheap and easy to buy. He surely got nukes. The question is if he got the facilities and ramps to use them, I do not think so, if he wanna blow something up he need to move the nukes to that place. Same thing about Usama whom probably is slive. Maybe he is at chamkatcha (spelling?) in eastern russia with anti american allieas preparing a raid against the american oil fields at Alaska.

BTW, check this link out: http://www.markfiore.com/animation/corrections.html

[Various quote/link fixes] -Tal

[ September 12, 2002, 17:43: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

-sigh-
Psalm 2 comes in mind here....

These stupid presidents, kings and dictators. All they want is to be impressive and make some history. Bush, the prototype arrogant American who probably didn't learn anything of the attack 1 year ago, wants to stop the fabricating of some neat weapons that an insane Hussain probably already has. I bet America has got some of these too.

The human is but a mortal fool! We are the most intelligent being in the whole universe, but we lack wisdom.

I saw 10 children on telly yesterday. 2 from the USA, 2 from Aghanistan, 2 from Israel, 2 Pakistani and 2 childs from Ruanda. All 10 were confronted with violence, and came to my little country to sing 5 lullabies in the 5 languages as one group, for the children who were born on the 11th Sept. as a prayer there would be a new and better century...with relative peace and harmony.
I believe this was a better start then all the big words of our socalled wise worldleaders.

(Yes yes! ofcourse those terrorists must be stopped and yes: I want both Osama's and Hussains hearts on a plate, if they even have one.)

 

"...are we nearly there yet?"

 

Maybe we all forgot this:

"The mutual respect is the beginnig of peace"

 

Shadowhunter: who are you quoting and, more importantly, what relevance does that non sequitur, not to mention non-sensical, phrase have to do with anything?

 

The most important thing to consider if/when USA/Nato attacks Iraq is that it is an act of agression. Iraq hasnt attacked anyone this time. No matter what kind of terrible dictator he is there are no, none at all justification of for attacking him. It doesnt even matter if he has 1000 IBM's aimed at Washington. As long as he doesnt use them it is a violation of the people's right (Folkrätten, dont know the english term), each nation is sovereign, no nation can impose its will on another nation. No matter their supposed evilness.

You might say that the reason for an attack is Iraq's lack of cooperation with the inspectors, the biggest reason for their lack of cooperation was according to Rolf Ekeus (former chief of inspections in Iraq) that the the US stubbornly sent CIA agents in the guise of inspectors and didnt even hide it very well. Ekeus have hinted that the reason for this was the US wanted to goad Iraq into refusing to let in more inspectors and thus giving the US a 'reason' to attack...