Is it possible to fight the US?

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Now, being a Canadian resident, I am just north of the most powerful country in the world. There has always been a fear that when the US runs out of resources, they will just stroll northward and seize Canada.

Now, if the US decided to do this, would the rest of the world take a stand? Could they take a stand? I mean, the Canadian Armed Forces would be steam rollered by the US if we tried to defend ourselves.

To sum it up:

1. Would the US ever attempt such a thing?

2. Would the rest of the world try to help Canada?

3. Even if they did try, could they stop the US?

 

1. Never. Our people would never stand for it, for starters. And even if they did, no amount of resources is worth effectively turning the entire world into our enemy.

2. If, in the extremely unlikely event that the US would invade an ally merely for resources, we would quickly lose several, if not most, of our remaining international allies. We have nukes...but so do our allies. It wouldn't be worth the risk.

3. If the rest of the world were united against us, then yes - but in such an instance there would almost certainly be a nuclear holocaust.

But - again - this is a ridiculous scenerio that would never happen. Part of the reason we are regarded as "the most powerful nation on earth" is because of the support of our international allies. While it's true we are more powerful than any one nation, we are also close allies with any and all nations who even come close. No good would come from such a blatant betrayal. This is the fodder for conspiracy nuts, nothing more.

You don't honestly believe that would happen, do you Jag?

 

No, but there are a lot of paranoids who say it will happen, it is just a matter of time.

I agree with what you just said.

 

All the Canadians have to do is send their grizzly bear calvary to stop us

But seriously there would be absolutely no benifit for the U.S. to invade Canada. If they were that desperate for resources they would just invade a country that every hates.

 

Or they would get access to that resource through some nefarious business deal rather than strength of arms.

 

If the US did take over Canada we would have to include Splunge on Social Security and Medicare...


Never!

Seriously, Jag...why would we want to take over the only nation that we have a trade surplus with?

 

Now, I didn't say you would. I am just saying that it is a fear.

 

1. Never. Why would the United States ever attack Canada? You are our friends to the North - a kindred people with a long history of defending democracy. We fought side by side in World War 2 and defeated Germany's Nazy philosophy. We are one and the same.


2. NO. As we learned from September 11 and the War on Terror - the rest of the World, unlike the United States, Canada and Britain, will not help others.

3. Who knows.

 

In a different post I told everyone why we will invade Canada. It is for the one resource that Canada has plenty off and we couldn't really invade anyone else for it.

Water

I'm only slightly kidding. I live in the Northeast so we don't have that bad of a problem. However if you find someone who lives in the southwest and especially parts of California you will know that water rights is a serious issue.

 

I'd say it's an unfounded fear.

1. No. If anything, some of the more Americanized, English-speaking sections would elect to join the U.S. A hostile take over would never occur. The way it stands now, the U.S. buys whatever it can't produce on its own, and if anything should come to change that, there are far better options than invading our friends to the north. We Americans basically like you guys - you're kind of like the kid brother. We would be far more likely to defend you from someone else than attack you ourselves.

2. Only if they saw an imminent threat to themselves thereafter. Most other countries would only enter into such a war if they viewed themselves as potentially next. They would view it's better to fight a war over there than over here. If there's nothing for them to gain, probably not.

3. Yes. The U.S. is the most powerful nation on the earth, but I seriously doubt it is more powerful than the combined might of a coalition of several countries combined, unless you're talking second and third world nations. If you're talking about the combined armies of all of Europe against the U.S., then yes, combined they could defeat the U.S.

One more thing - in order for the U.S. to be willing to invade Canada, we would have to perceive them as a threat. With the operative word being PERCEIVE. They don't have to be a real threat, and currently they aren't. On a good day our Salvation Army could kick their ass. However, if Canada could do something where they would be perceived by the American public (or if the American public could be convinced) to be a threat, then maybe an attack could occur. If they keep playing little brother, that will never happen.

[ March 09, 2004, 20:30: Message edited by: Aldeth the Foppish Idiot ]

 

Yep, that's a burden no one would want to bear!

Seriously, I don't see it ever happening. The U.S. has more subtle ways to get what it wants (trade barriers, for example - we are each other's largest trading partner, after all) that there is no way it would feel it has to invade a friendly nation to get access to natural resources, and incur the wrath of the rest of the world in the process.

Plus the U.S. wouldn't dare to face the fearsome might of our military - two mounties, an angry moose, and a rabid beaver.

 

That rabid beaver is a violation of several Strategic Arms Treaties!!!

ATTACK!!!

Yeah, friendly persuassion is the way that the US forces it's will on our allies. Just look at the situation between Mexico and the US with NAFTA *cough-ripoff-cough*.

Then again, we could use that angry moose in Iraq!

 

Nah, the Canadian goverment wouldn't allow that, and then the Americans have another reason to attack Canada; To install a peacefull and democratic(read America suck-ups and tyrannic) goverment and then, after ten years, they will accuse Canada of terrorists and take over the nation.

All they need is to sacrifice a 100k or two, but of course, if Bush have another relative ready, who knows...

 

I wasn't serious on that point. I was saying that Canada would be more likely to join the U.S. (as outrageous and ridiculous as that suggestion is) than for the U.S. to attack Canada. I was trying to illustrate my point by comparing my point to another outrageous example.

 

If history is any indication, then yes, it's possible the US may decide to annex Canada.

That used to be true. Now, the US has this go-it-alone policy.

Bush just proved that's not hard to do.

 

Firstly, if for whatever reason the US decided to steamroll into Canada even a rather small force could bleed the invaders to a very painful effect. Look at Finland against the Soviet invaders during WW2. Vast stretches of frozen forest is a pain to fight in and numbers and technology doesnt mean squat. However, I think it is more likely that Canada would join the US long before an invasion ever becomes likely.

As for coming to aid, I dont know. First off, as it stands today I think even the whole world united would have serious problems against the US and the world would have a long long time of warfare to look forward to. Secondly, the US have nukes, and frankly, I dont think anyone thinks that Canada (or anything really) is worth starting a nuclear exchange over. The blunt truth.

 

No withouth the use of nukes, which, as Death Rabbit already said, would lead to a nuclear holocaust. In order to stop the US without the use of nukes, the rest of the world would have to trasport a huge number of troops and equipment across the ocean and this would be a suicide mission in an ocean infested with american ships and submarines and even if they would manage to land the supply of such huge army would be impossible.

 

Perhaps we could just settle things with a grudgematch between a cowboy and mounty!

Of course, the United States and Canada haven't even been close to war since 1812 - and that was when Canada was still a slave to the British Dictatorship.

Things are different now, Canada is no longer part of Britain... ummm... errr... nevermind...

 

BOC > You cannot seriously beleive that USA would beat the rest of the world in a war?
Sure, it would be a slaughter, but the tactics are abit more refined than they were back in 1940.
Putting everyone in a boat and hoping for the best has been proven idiotic long ago.
Also, the US navy against the rest of the worlds navy...
There´s no discussion about which country is the most powerful, but USA simply cannot take on the rest of the world and win. If they for some very strange reason ever would that is

 

The U.S. wouldn't have to set foot into Canada except to mop up the blood. Most of Canada's population is within a hundred or so miles of the Canada/US border. Short range missiles would do the job.

And since we're speaking hypothetically, I wouldn't expect the rest of the world to join forces against the U.S. in an effort to come to Canada's rescue; they should do it because they should feel threatened - if the U.S. could invade one of it's closest allies, who would be next?