Kaelyn ending

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SPOILER ALERT
(just a warning for any who didn't understand the title)


In her ending where she continues with the crusades against the wall after you supported it (her crusade) and defeated Rammaq (so he couldn't betray her later) she becomes a source of hope for the "faithless" mentioned in the game but her wings turn black.

Why do they turn black? One could say she is taking a step towards being fallen and becoming evil except that her actions seem to fall on the side of being merciful-not a trait that brings forth evil terribly often. This may also mean she doesn't break with Ilmater. What do her wings changing color mean if she doesn't become evil as the game seems to define it?

Is she becoming more human and thus her wings fade and die but she continues as powerful good intentioned mortal?

 

She has her followers take risks to aid others but taking risks for others is what heros are generally thought to do. And it seems that her followers can choose if they want to be so or not.

She, in D&D terms, doesn't appear to be a "faithless" (she may sincerely try to follow Ilmater) so she is arguably unlikely to end up on the wall if she falls herself. Perhaps that puts things into an irony that she should ban those she seeks to help from joining her.

The risks Kelemvor talks of could be quite real in the story (and large in scale) if fearun operates the way he describes but there is the argument that Kaelyn just wants things to continue in a slightly different manner.

Bishop was a really bad guy who (according to the story) tried to help get others killed by the Shadows in the Shadow War. But some of the "innocents" you referred to on the wall may never have tried hurt anyone or anything-is it just to treat them the same? It is a dilemma to ponder.

 

technically I think Kelemvor lied to the PC. Because the Wall haven't always existed, it is Myrkuls creation, although it is there to help the gods after they lost a lot of their powers after the time of troubles (requiring believers to exist), it shouldn't be fundamental for the Universe, since it existed before the wall was created.

 

Maybe. I think he said that he felt he couldn't directly overturn prior decisions of Myrkul.

Good point though about how the universe went along before it existed. Is it allowed to exist out of unnecessary fears on the part of Kelemvor?

Though one point is the question of if the wall is canon even. In the books I've read relating to the D&D game (rather than what I've seen relating to the video game NWN2) Kelemvor doesn't add people to the wall.

If my understanding the forgotten realms story-line is correct he tried to send good faithless to nicer parts within his realm and evil aligned to the worse. The storyline I've read is that other gods got mad at him for doing this (judged him badly as this influenced the way people acted on fearun) so he stopped and simply started putting people in the same areas within his city as others of similar alignment. Not in the wall.

So the game storyline may be wrong.

 

No the wall is Canon as far as 3.5E goes. In 4E it is not even mentioned. I Don't think I have read the books you refer too, but as far as I know the part you refers are correct. the problem with good people getting good fates, whether they worshipped gods or not and evil people getting bad fates, meant that Good people started to not fear death and throwing their lives away.

While evil people started to fear death and not worshipping evil gods. which shifted the precious balance in favor of the good, threatening to overturn the universe or some such.
the wall is there to force both good, evil and neutral people to worship, so the gods can life, since they have been depending on worshipping since the time of troubles.
I actually like the concept, since it is so unjust in many ways, that I feel you can't do anything but try to destroy it.

 

This is what I got from my conversation with Kelemvor...
A God cannot destroy another God creation; such as the Wall of Faithless or the Hunger Curse. The mortals who are involved maybe able to remove or destroy the creation if there is a flaw; like the hunger had a loop hole/flaw should it could be cured.

I believe the wall of the faithless could be taken down. How? I don't know but it could be done by a group of faithless from the mortal realm, etc...

 

Aye that pretty much says that the wall isn't strictly necesarry for the universe to excist, just that Kelemvor can't do anything about it,"all" he can do is allow mortals to change it, which might explain why the 2nd and 3rd crusade could happend

 

I thought the second crusade was with K. Dove and her companions who all failed and the third crusade would be if you attack it.

I wonder what would happen if you attack the wall and you have been following your god's will/actions.

 

the 2nd crusade is led by the K.Dove and the third is either let by you or if you turn it down, then K.Dove again, but sadly her story indicates that she fails

 

My guess is you do not get added to the wall. If the game's storyline is that this for the faithless then Kaelyn will not be added to it if she is killed.

As I pointed out before it doesn't appear as if Kaelyn is straying from Ilmater, so she is still a loyal follower.

 

She is Fallen; that is all. My guess is that her heritage does not allow her to destroy the creation of the Gods.

 

Myrkul implies that she will fall but it seems like she stays loyal to the idea of mercy, not exactly going against Ilmater. So Myrkul could be wrong. Also while it doesn't say she comes anywhere close to destroying the wall she sometimes does free someone from it in her continuing efforts.

Not the success she wants but far from being stopped.