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I have one I copy of the game what I want and the manual of it (as of bg2 inside of the compact disc format pdf) understood? if you he will have orders me

thedreadblackknight@yahoo.com.br

 

Eduardo Do'Urden

I appreciate that it must be difficult trying to get answers in another language. So I've had a look for some Portugese Baldurs Gates site. I hope these might be useful for you:
http://gamespot.zdnet.pt/role-playing/bgate/index.shtml
http://www.mdb.hpg.com.br/

Good luck

 

Why is only Taluntain asked about this?

 

<<Please find some websites in your own language"???>>>

And I thought I had been rude in my time.... What arrogance.

 

<<So if it were your way we should allow use of any other language here too? ... I was only giving him a friendly advice. ...I'm sorry if you think that's arrogance on my part, but I'd just call it common sense.>>

Well, no insult taken by me.. However, as someone who spent a very large portion of my life overseas in countries which did not speak my native tongue (due to US military duties), I have some experience with the challenge the guy is faced with - trying to communicate in pubic without all the tools everyone else has.

Taluntain, your responses to this guy are nothing less than antisocial to say the least and that is not meant as an insult, just an observation. Your response to me, for instance, could have been taken as an insult, yet you relatively calmly and clearly stated your opinion in a manner which left no room for misinterpretation - you dislike responding to him and/or reading his messages.... Whatever happened to the scroll function, the Delete key or just plain ignoring someone? At least that wouldn't be as rude as your choice.

Your responses to a fellow gamer trying to play and enjoy his game thus make little sense to me. They are not "productive" and serve no social purpose except, apparently, to puff up your chest with a few others with "less vocal keyboarding skills" than yourself.

Last comment, again, not meant as an insult but as an honest observation... You remind me very much of the guy on the BG2 board who made the character that ran around insulting everyone throughout the game. Despite having not gotten caught stealing and despite his "reasonable level of intelligence", his reputation remained below average and he lost out on game/life quests that could have made the game mmore enjoyable and challenging. So, think of it this way, you can easily just ignore the guy at no loss to yourself. Or, you could try to help him and at worst get frustrated at your failure to communicate. Either way, life is too short to be unnecessarily rude and arrogant.

Soapbox mode off.... This has been a test. This has only been a test of the Non-Emergency Simple Social Skills Program. This has only been a test. Returning you now to your normal life.

<<edited for formatting and spelling>>

[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited August 26, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited August 26, 2001).]

 

OK I try not to get involved in these little head to heads but in this case I'm sorry I couldn't help myself. You see I interpreted Tal's first post above as trying to be helpful (which is what you are accusing him of not being). He has attempted to answer the guy's question to the best of his knowledge. Also, as someone who has struggled to follow the guy's other questions I too think the advice to try and find a site that uses his native language to be the best common-sense approach (I don't see this as arrogant at all - you might notice I tried to help on that score too). Tal does not say he will not help him he just suggests it would be easier in his native tongue.

You will also see that other poeple have tried to help the guy in other posts but usually no one is really clear as to what is being asked. Now this is frustrating for all concerned including Eduardo - BUT we are still trying to help as best we can.

My view is that, before you are in a position to complain about others you should ask yourself what you yourself have done to help. Checking through the posts I see that you have given the guy some advice but I don't see that you have done anything to help with the language problems. Perhaps, if you are that concerned you might think about helping out there.

As to all your commenst about not insulting Tal just making an observation. Unfortunately to me they mostly read like you were trying to insult Tal (but maybe I'm not understanding your intent because of our cultural differences). On that basis, just in case, let me defend him here as despite your comments, he isn't really one to puff up his chest. Firstly, are you aware that English is not Tal's first language? I think he speaks it extremely well but there are bound to be sublte differences in interpretation between his use of language and yours as an American. Did you not think that perhaps you were misinterpretating his words at all when you got on your soapbox? Especially after your commencts about learning the problems on cummincation with other nationalities during your US military service. It is also extremely easy to misinterpret the written word on these type of forums as has been discussed at length in another post in What Nots. So just who is being arrogant here?

Of course, this site is also Tal's. He has put a huge amount of effort into building it up and developing it for the benfit of those of us who enjoy visiting the place. He also tries to reflect the wishes of the majority (as he mentioned above, many chatroom users have pushed for the guy to be asked to leave but Tal has stuck by him). He does this for no money or reward other than the love of keeping the place going. As such I think it is reasonable for Tal to set the rules for the site and to decide who he wants to be here or not.

Anyway, I don't want to waste time over this too much or get, myself wound up. To sum up Tal runs a great site here and puts in an awful lot of hard work for the benefit of people like you and me. I really find it hard to comprehend when, bearing that in mind, people openly attack him especially for the 'crime' of trying to help someone in the most practical way possible. sad days indeed.

PS damn in writing this I've managed to miss the shops

 

A little clarity here..
0. By the time I read this thread the first time, no "question for Taluntain" was in the message topic.... So, I could not consider that.

1. I said that Tal's response that I read to Eduardo's post was arrogant and rude - and referred to myself as having been so and thus able to recognize rudeness. Tal's followup statements of "might as well invite some Chinese over: just supports my first comment about rudeness.

2. I never attacked Tal or this site. If there is any douobt about that, reread my responses. People can act rudely or arrogant and not actually be a rude or arrogant person - it happens. However, I HAVE been quietly visiting the board for a while and finally reached a point where I thought it needed a simple declarative statement. I made that. You can take the constructive criticism as that or you can ignore it... It really makes no real difference to me.

3. I have noted that people like Slappy have been much better able to assist Ed with his translation problems than I could be - so, I didn't interfere - {Portugese being a language I have no facility in). However, as is usual, I failed to publicly comment on that or other positive assistance given to Ed... Okay, busted... let's move on.

4. Lastly, if you read my second post in this thread again, you ought to be able to see that I was not trying to escalate this at all - merely drawing an analogy to someone else's fairly interesting way of playing the game. It seemed that Tal was acting in a similar manner and obtaining similar results - that's all. By comparing the way you responded to me and to Ed, I thought the difference in results would be fairly clear. I guess you missed that.

So, rather than escalate this further - which was never my intent.... I had been visiting the site for about a month before my first post - observing and getting a feel. I guess I will return to lurk mode, not ever try to contribute to the board and just take advantage of other posters' work as obviously my own expression of opinion isn't desired here. No big deal and actually less angst for me.

 

Nah don't go back to lurk mode. Let's all shake hands, make up, group hug and get back to enjoying the boards, sharing ideas and helping people when possible. After all even happy families have their occaisional bust-ups.

And as a PS please don't everyone think I am some kind of language expert. God I can't even speak english as well as I'd like. I am so bad at languages my o'level french oral exam is the stuff of legends. Within half an hour of finishing it I had had the piss taken out of me by two other teachers. The really sad thing was that as they took the piss in French, I didn't even understand what they were saying I was ungraded in my final result.

 

I agree with Slappy. Not the part about his french..
I think You are a little hasty Kailynne Johanne. I fail to see a connection to why a discussion about rudeness should make You go into "lurk-mode". Especially when You say You have no hard feelings.

Tal's speech has always been pretty direct. He has even softened a bit since he switched from the pink dragon.

And I think Eduardo has understandably moved to another site. Haven't heard from him since he posted all those questions.

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited August 27, 2001).]