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No more 23:00 bell?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Sydax, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. Sydax Gems: 19/31
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    [​IMG] Every news program are saying that in England will be no more drinking restriction after 11 PM. There are a lot of interviews to people saying that this will be for good and police saying that this will be for bad. I can't seem to find anything on BBC or any other news site.
    Is this true? If so, will this be for bad or good?
    People complain here because from Fridays night until Sundays young people organises parties in the streets (called botellones) until the very morning, playing music at loud and leaving thousands of empty bottles in the streets and even causing damage on houses and cars. So people think that a law like the 11:00 restriction will be good if is applied.
     
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    not much will change, police can put restrictions on establishments just like before and the pubs have to apply for a licence and state what hours they will open to, not many places will bother with the flexy licence because it costs a mint.

    i think the new licencing laws will make things better, it will eliminate the flashpoint times of trouble at 11 and 3am when large groups take to the street at the same time, it will also stretch out the amount of time people spend drinking eliminating the binge caused when people try to cram 11 pubs into a 3 hour period before moving on to a club, i know that i get alot more drunk when im with a group of boys and we only spend 10 - 15 mins in a pub before everyone 'drinks up' and you have to neck whats left of your drink. critics say that things will get worse because people will drink more instead of drinking for longer, to which i think is rubbish because people cant afford to drink more, the average price of a pint of weak lager in my town is £2.30 (Euro3.40 - $4) and thats in wales in england it can be double that.

    the current problem is caused by over crowding in pubs and clubs, nothing is worse then not being able to move around, if we reduced the amount of people rammed into a place then it will reduce the flared atmos and make it easier for security to police the crowd.
     
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    In Poland, we don't have any specific hour after which alcohol can't be sold and it isn't so bad. Pubs rarely stay open much past midnight unless they have a dancing floor or some such. But it's illegal to drink in public spaces and most public places. You can't just walk with a beer can and if they catch you walking less than straight, they can card you and they could even haul you to the very special place where the likes of you sober up. ;) I think this is reasonable. I don't trust the average person with a couple of beers and it's only fair that the society may refuse to accept such a hazard and restrict alcohol consumption to pubs, restaurants, bars, clubs and private dwellings. It's not like they won't sell beer during outdoor festivals or on the beach or similar, so restrictions aren't so draconian. It's just drinking on streets or roaming drunk is not tolerated in normal circumstances. I suppose this could work in Spain. Allow people to have their drinks indoors, in pubs and clubs, but don't let them roam the streets after they leave or consume alcohol on the street, either. Hehe, but I'm guilty here. When I was in Spain, I rarely moved anywhere without a litre bottle of San Miguel in my backpack. :p :shake:
     
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    Then you were blending in perfectly, as most of us Spaniards do that too :grin: The heat, you know, you have to keep yourself hydrated.

    IIRC, the 11pm thing in England is the 'last order' time. You can keep on drinking if you still have something in your glass, but you cannot order anything else. This causes many people to buy 2-3 drinks at that time, and then they happily keep drinking for another 1/2 hour or so, depending on the bar closing policy. Spain, on the other hand, has no drinking-time restriction. In student cities like Granada, on weekends some pubs and bars open only after 2-3am, when other pubs start closing.

    To my limited knowledge, all late-night pubs have to conform with proper noise control regulations, to keep the noise caused by the music and their patrons to a minimum. But at the end of the day, you can't control what people do when they leave the pub. And loud noises at 12am don't bother one as much as noises at 3am...
     
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    So this is where the english love for luke-warm beer comes from. ;)

    There is no closing time in Berlin also. But as far as I know, it's the only german city. In others, bars close around 1 am. But I never heard of problems like in England.
     
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    In Finland bars can close either 2am or 4am depending on the size of the club. In the law they say that clubs with the permission to stay open for 4am must have some sort of "special entertainment value", that is a dancefloor, casino or other forms of extras in addition to drinking.
     
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    Spain and France have a very mature relaxed drinking culture. As for the UK, well that is a different matter :eek: .

    On my first holiday to Spain, I was amazed that beer was sold in vending machines in the streets, but I didn't see any locals getting pissed and causing trouble, that was the British, German and Irish tourists ;)

    I think in the long term, the longer opening hours will be a good thing, but since this is a novelty, it will probably make an already bad situation worse...

    Good auld San Miguel, or Sam Maguire as my not so cultured uncle used to call the drink :rolleyes:
     
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    It sucks when clubs close at 2 or 4 am. I had to call a taxi and pay according to the night tariff or spend an hour on a night bus, risking my financial and corporal integrity. :rolleyes: Wish they would more frequently drag on until 4:30 or 5. :p
     
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    I've been cursing that too more than a couple of times when I've stayed in a bar in Helsinki for 4am, since the next train to Hyvinkää leaves somewhere at 6am and so I'll have to wait for it for two hours. Luckily some fastfood or kebab restaurants are usually open and my high charisma modifier helps me to get someone to keep me company for a while. :p
     
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    thats not true, last orders is at 10 to 11, stop tap is at 11 and then you get 20 mins of 'drink up' time before the pub has to close its doors.
     
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    i don't think there are any alcohol restrictions in denmark at all, unless you have to be over 16 to buy it in the stores, and 18 at pubs and stuff like that

    i must admit i like it
     
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