Not wasting my time re-rolling

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So I enabled the cheat scores to get all 18s so I wouldn't have to waste my time rolling and re-rolling. Now I'm taking away points so that it isn't a super cheat. What's the total ability score points that people generally shoot for? 95 and 97 are in my head but I can't remember which number it was nor can I remember where I ran across that number.

 

It depends a little on the character class but generally 90-92 sounds about right to me. 95-97 would require an insane amount of re-rolling.

 

i just re-rolled till i got good stats then exported the character, so next time i play as that character i dont have to sit there for ages till i get good stats again.

i usually try end up in the 85-90 range. i dont have time to sit there nd try and get super good scores. Im happy with good scores, there are plenty of ways in the game to raise your scores, or i could just use SK to get better scores i suppose

 

-We're talking about a 7-year-old single-player game. Because this is not an online multiplayer game, your stats will not affect anyone else's experience.

-Even if you did play in multiplayer, your CHARNAME's stats would still not affect anyone else's experience.

-The opinions of people on an Internet message board will also not affect your game experience, unless you're neurotic enough to allow them to.

-It's a little-known and terrible secret that most of the other NPC followers in BG2 and TOB also have munchkin-ized stats. I don't know what's more ridiculous; a snobby "role-player" who purposely takes low stats but also adds the 18s-a-plenty Sarevok to his party, or the snobbier "role-player" who turns his nose up at Sarevok for just that reason and purposely takes the slightly less-powerful Minsc who has "only" 18/92 STR, instead.

-(Hint: Most NPCs in BG2 and TOB have munchkinized stats because BIO is, at heart, a company full of munchkins who made a munchkin game where you can get a +3 stunning, lightning-damaging katana at the beginning of act 2, and where you can use spells like simulacrum and time stop to utterly break the game, to say nothing of the perma-invisibility on the staff of magi or the insta-casting conveyed by the robe of Vecna.)

-(Hint 2: If you want to play a game with actual nuanced role-playing, put down the BIO games and play something like Planescape: Torment.)

-If you are so committed to casting about for some kind of "role-playing" justification for having high stats, remember that according to the game's fiction, your character is the child of a god.

 

Look at it this way, it will take you 1-3 months to take the character from BG1 to ToB, so you might as well spend that extra half an hour re-rolling. I avoid using that max stat cheat since, well, it makes the character seem fake somehow... hitting a good roll will feel more satisfactory.

Most of my characters have >95 rolls, the highest roll I ever got was on a Paladin (100 stat points) and the lowest on a multi F/T (only 92 points). Just hit the "roll" button one more time, you never know what's going to come up

 

I don't believe I've ever added up my stat points. If I can get most of my "main stats" for my character up to 15 or 16, it's good enough for me. I usually roll twice or three times. I start a game to play it, not spend 3 hours rerolling for 1 more stat point.

 

I generally find that 89-92 is plenty. It's still powerful, but a negligible difference between 93 and above, depending on the class, and far easier to achieve.

I've also tried the Ctrl-8 trick, and I only use it if I'm not playing a warrior class. Getting the 18/00 for free is definitely cheap. If I'm playing a warrior class, I'll either do a vanilla Ranger or Paladin kit anyway, both of which have fairly high minimums and are therefore easier to get higher rolls out of. I get much more satisfaction from a character with legitimate stats, even if I spend a half hour rolling the highest set I can.

 

I have kids, I don't have time to reroll ay more, I use SK, if not satisfied by first roll (almost never)

 

I don't think I have ever had a character with over 90. If I'm playing a warrior, 1st roll over 80 and I'm good to go. For, say, a Paladin, I'll try to get something around 87 or so. I've never understood why people can say Paladins are easy to get good rolls for - yes, the total will tend to be fairly high, but 30 points are locked up in Wis and Cha, which mean virually nothing to the character, except that he/she can sell the ring of human influence...

 

I'm with Shaitan -- Shadowkeeper. If you don't want to roll a boatload of times just roll once and use shadowkeeper to put the stats where you want them.

I like using pnp characters I had -- I use SK to adjust the stats accordingly. Play the character you want, if that means giving godlike stats so you can play on insane ... go for it. It just seems easier to use SK for that to me.

 

Agreed, T2. It's really the same whether you use SK to get the big stats or not. If you want them, you will get them, SK just saves time.

 

First roll, take 'em like that, and no reloads.

It's crazy, you almost never make it, but it's hella-fun!

BTW, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I know this type of game isn't for most people, but it is something that keeps my interest.

I've also tried a "minimum stats" game, but I played with an Elf Ranger (Archer kit). Since an Elf Ranger has the highest minimums possible, they're still good scores, but you'll never net a bonus out of them. I also played this one through BG1 first (my personal preference) and the stats got a bit higher.

 

I don't really understand why you would make all 18s, then reduce them. If you're going to cheat, why not go all the way?

 

Because we don't want to powergame - we just want to save time. It's not cheating unless you give yourself an unfair advantage INgame.

Let's take a Mage/Thief, for example. Since I would keep rolling until I was able to create a Mage/Thief with (at least) the following stats:

Str: 12
Dex: 18
Con: 16-18
Int: 18
Wis: 12
Cha: 12

...I would have to roll a 90 to pull that off. Not terribly difficult, but since a Mage/Theif has low minimum stats it would likely take some time rerolling to achieve that result. Since I know that's what I'm aiming for anyway, it does make more sense to either spread the 18s with Ctrl-8 and adjust accordingly, or just take the first roll you get edit with Shadowkeeper. In the end, the result is exactly the same - you get the character you want. The only difference is you've saved a half hour (or so) that you can now spend playing instead of click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, *sigh* click, click, click, click, click, click, *yawn* click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, clicking.

 

Why would you use Shadowkeeper, when you get the same result without starting a game,s aving a game, closing the game, adjusting the stats, saving a new backed up version of the game, starting the game, then finally loading the game.

It makes sense if you're gonna adjust stats/proficiencies for other NPC's while you're at it, but not if you just plan to adjust your PC's stats like above.

On-topic though: I usually have around 90+ stats, depending on the character class.

 

I just want to clarify my earlier post: I don't want to come off looking like I'm posting from my high horse or anything. I haven't always played that way (as a matter of fact, I usually powergame), it's just something that seems to hold my interest now.

 

I usually aim for 90 on rolls but give myself 10 rolls to achieve it.

My alternative Stat altering method was to export charaters once they got a tome. Then in Multi-player game combine the tomes until I had a single exported character holding 3 or 4 copies of each tome. If starting a new character, start them in multi-player, read tomes until you get the required stats, export and start again in single-player (or continue in multi-player. Long winded, but I never got round to downloading shadow-keeper.

 

Well, Omnigodly, why would you roll for fifteen minutes to half an hour, give or take, when you can get the same results by starting a game, saving it, editing the save and playing on, which takes about five to ten minutes?
Seriously, though, rolling till you get uber stats is already, IMO, cheating as well. Sure, the game allows it, but as Killjoy points out, the game also allows many other things not too "honourable". It's the same as using Dungeon-Be-Gone, you get the same result without the tedious parts.

On topic, I never bother to roll for long. As long as I get the main stat(s) as high as possible and it looks solid enough, being around 80-90, it's enough.

 

It all comes down to preference, I think. I used the very first rolls in my last two games for my main PC. 18 INT, 15 CON and 15 CHA, I care only for these stats. Others can all be around 8-9-10 for all I care, as this was the sort of character I wanted to play:smart, durable but not too tough, and kinda glib but not extremely charming. As I said I was able to achieve these stats on the first try without problem. Which made me even more happy!

 

I love using Ctrl-8 and then manually lowering scores - it saves *so* much time.

The only ocassion where I then employ SK is if I want 18/xx Str but not 18/00 Str (because it feels cheap to retain it).