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POLL: Pete Rose

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by The Great Snook, Jan 9, 2004.

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    [​IMG] So should Pete make it into the baseball hall of fame?

    When determining if an athlete is one of the greatest of all times should we take into consideration the athletic accomplishments only or the person as a whole?

    My personal thoughts are that it is the athlete's athletic abilities that should determine their eligibility and not their personal lives.

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    Poll Results: Pete Rose (15 votes.)

    Should Pete Rose get into the Hall of Fame (Choose 1)
    * Yes - 47% (7)
    * No - 53% (8)

    Should an athlete's personal life be considered (Choose 1)
    * Yes - 47% (7)
    * No - 53% (8)
     
    The Great Snook, Jan 9, 2004
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    I say no on both. No Pete shouldn't be honored, and no an athlete's personal life should not be a factor for an athletic honor.

    In Pete Rose's case, he broke a rule clearly stating gambling on baseball as illegal by major league baseball. What's more, he's spent the last 2 decades lying about it, and now expects all to be forgiven. This isn't someone who should be honored, IMO.

    This isn't a case of personal life versus professional life. He wasn't banned for gambling (a personal choice), he's banned for gambling on his sport (a professional rule violation). If he was barred from the hall of fame for, say, beating his wife, that would be another thing. Unless of course MLB had a bylaw regarding wife-beating.

    On a personal note, I don't think he came clean because he's sorry or feels he did anything wrong. He wants to be in the hall of fame. I don't think he deserves the honor.
     
    Death Rabbit, Jan 9, 2004
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    I want to qualify my answers:

    Yes, Pete Rose's accomplishments mean that he belongs in the Hall of Fame - but only after his lifetime ban from baseball has run its course. The man has shown no true remorse for what he did, only regret at the price he's had to pay. Give him a posthumous plaque.

    No, an athlete's personal life shouldn't be counted (although I draw the line at felony convictions). We're talking specifically about accomplishemnts on the playing field, not about being a good role model or citizen. There are other awards for those things. But Pete Rose let his personal vices carry over into his sport - and that's why the lifetime ban should remain in place.
     
    Rallymama, Jan 9, 2004
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    @Rallymama

    I have to give you credit. I have never heard anyone say that "The lifetime ban runs out when he dies."

    That is brilliant. Future generations will be able to recognize his accomplishments and his shame, yet he does not. I love it. This is my new attitude towards this issue. I will make sure you are given proper credit in all posts/e-mails I send.
     
    The Great Snook, Jan 9, 2004
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    It's a little sparse in detail, so I feel the need to clarify. Pete Rose absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame -- after he dies.* It is clear that he is a very sick person who acted in a way that tarnished his sport and directly contrary to the rules of the sport. Unlike, say, Steve Howe, Pete Rose harmed baseball in general, not himself in particular. The man freaking bet on his own team!

    Further, the scum is only doing this because he wants to cash in some more. There is no contrition.

    As far as personal life playing a role, only as it applies to the rules of baseball. For example, if he's a drug addict, a wife beater, etc., that may impact people's perception of him, but does not impact his sport or his status in the sport. However, when his personal gambling habit carries over to the sport, it must be considered. That being said, by objective criteria, he's a shoe-in to the hall. I just hope it happens after he dies.


    * - Credit to Rallymama for an absolutely brilliant idea.
     
    dmc, Jan 9, 2004
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    No to both, for the same reasons as everyone else.

    Actually, I was was inclined before to think he should be allowed in (even though I didn't believe his denials), but his current admission of guilt reeks so much of insincerity that it's turned me off completely.
     
    Splunge, Jan 9, 2004
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    I voted with the majority but simply because I am prejudiced. I am orginaly from Cincinnati.
     
    Nakia, Jan 9, 2004
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    [​IMG] It sickens me that they are even reconsidering his ban.

    He made his bed, he should lie in it.
     
    Blackhawk, Jan 9, 2004
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    *sigh*

    There are some things you do, and there are other things you don't. You don't throw a game for money; period.

    I'm not saying Pete threw games. In fact, I really believe that he didn't. But you don't put yourself in the position where someone has to decide like that.

    Who's the Indian guy? Um. He was an Okie back in the teens. Um.....Thorp. Jim Thorp.

    He played professional football in his off time. But, unlike other Olympic Champions, he used his real name. And word got around. And they pulled his medals. But his daughter just got his medals reinstated a few years ago.

    It was Pete's bad. And he knew it. And I've no doubt there are a whole bunch of others, even today, that bet on the games. They just haven't been caught.
     
    ejsmith, Jan 10, 2004
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    He should have been banned from baseball just because of that haircut!
     
    InquisitorX, Jan 10, 2004
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    I think he should be allowed to enter the Hall of Fame, based on his achievements on the field. He was truly extraordinary.

    Should his ban be lifted? I think so -- but it's not an easy answer. He clearly made a mistake - and he paid for that mistake dearly. Other people make mistakes as well, and with the exception of murder and other heinous crimes - they don't pay their ENTIRE life for them. No, he's hardly a personal role model -- but yes, he IS a model of excellence in playing the game of baseball, which is what the Hall of Fame is all about. If he is truly sorry for what he did and able to keep himself on the straight and narrow -- the knowledge that he could offer in a coaching capacity would be undeniably substantial to the game of baseball and to any team that would have him. I think he's done his time.
     
    Spellbound, Jan 10, 2004
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